Another "they quit" thread

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

because a) we're a free company that is meant to mean we work together, not apart.

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Okay. But does that mean you need to control who and what does which raiding?

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

b)not sure how it's unrealistic to rotate one slot in and out when a group can beat something regularly,

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Mostly referring to the fact that people are already unreceptive to your idea; telling them to rotate someone new in when a static is already a close-knit group is kind of insulting, in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

c) why do we all have to watch someone else play the game before we try? Some people like to learn by doing, I do, and I hope that people in my company respect that with others as well.

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That was only one example, and not my first one. Hence the "encourage them to form a learning party finder group" idea. That's exactly what I did when I first started Coil and, wouldn't you know it, I've been clearing turn 5 for the past two months.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

I think the key thing here is that to me the concept of a Free company is about a community of friends working together to help each other, not a federation of 8 person cliques worried about little more than their own gear progression.

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I suppose we have different ideas of what an FC should be. Mine has 130+ active members, with 7 or 8 Coil statics running weekly, many of which have turn 5 on farm. (As an example, my static ran through turns 1-5 tonight in around an hour and a half.) I would see raiding as an optional activity that doesn't necessarily need to be governed by the FC leader; rather, while there should definitely be FC statics, there should be other activities organized that are open to all members. We recently did a full FC Crystal Tower run that was a lot of fun, we have a house, organize map parties, etc. Honestly, I'd even suggest helping organize a new static, or getting a few of the new people together and helping them put together their own PF group or something.

If you want to dictate who each group takes, then be my guest, but considering that your own members don't want that... I don't think it's a good idea.

FFXI was more casual friendly in the sense that you can bring new players in and they won't be as much of a dead weight as FFXIV. If you try to help a new player do Titan EX or Coil, it can take weeks of wiping over and over again in early phases. Also FFXI had way more interesting and varied content than FFXIV. Most players in FFXIV care too much about cool looking mounts and vanity gear rather than game play.

In my opinion, we're seeing the twilight days of MMOs now so regardless of which direction the devs take this game it's going to go the way of the dodo anyway.

I've played MMOs pretty much since '99 when Everquest started out as being almost an underground movement not many people knew or discussed about. That was a world where people immersed and lost themselves in. Then we had FFXI, EQ2, etc until WoW came along. Love it or hate it WoW brought MMOs to the masses and the genre was forever changed. Sadly, that led to where we are now with this watered-down, tepid crap where everything has to be achievable by everybody with the minimum amount of effort/brainless repetition. Eventually even the lowest common denominators will move on long after the supposed hardcore crowd have migrated to the next big MMO which in turn will prove to never match the expectations of their "first" MMO experience.

Ramble over. The genre is on the wane and the best you can hope for is a pleasant distraction till the next new thing comes along but right now I'm not seeing anything on the horizon. The industry has no room anymore for a couple of guys with a love for gaming churning out the amazing experience that was early Everquest.

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Originally Posted by Grizzlebeard

The industry has no room anymore for a couple of guys with a love for gaming churning out the amazing experience that was early Everquest.

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I think this has to do more with investors then developers. Investors only see numbers, and when they compare WoW to anything else, they think that must be the working formula. They just don't see that the chance of that happening again, is like being struck by lightning... and a meteor... at the same time.

I'm almost glad FFXIV is my first MMO, but as someone mentioned earlier it is kinda an 8-man multiplayer game... Our static has 9 people, 8 of them are real life friends(yeah I feel like dead weight sometimes), gets old planning out who's sitting out each turn in coil then always having someone stay out in t5 progression... considered finding a new static so the others can go at their own pace since half isn't giving their all in t5 attempts and half of us have cleared Titan ex, the rest hates him too much to care when we do it. We had to make a different primal static.

But still I don't see people dropping like flies either, Mor Dhona is packed every day and I know the starting areas are too. Sure more people on Mondays, but not so much that it's concerning and I think the game is ending really...

From what I have seen personally, groups that have people getting fed up and leaving are ONLY those who focus on "statics", "world/server first or early clear", and "must have this on farm". My FC is holding pretty steady numbers-wise. If someone leaves server or unsubs, I get someone new to replace them (new to the FC not always new to the game). I have one member in the FC that won't participate in anything with the rest of us because we don't have a static and don't have coil or EX primals on farm. To be honest, his attitude sucks. :( The rest of us are just happy to try new things (or old content) with new people to see if we can't get everyone familiar with all the fights. It's a game, we're just here to have fun. ^_^

Oh! And if you want to know where all the threads of "I just started this game" are, go check the New Player Help board.

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Originally Posted by Amberion

I think this has to do more with investors then developers. Investors only see numbers, and when they compare WoW to anything else, they think that must be the working formula. They just don't see that the chance of that happening again, is like being struck by lightning... and a meteor... at the same time.

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I'm inclined to agree with your post here. This is entirely speculation but...... I think investors are the key behind the decline in mmo's due to WoW's success myself. Yoshida was, and still is, under pressure to deliver an economically viable game. This is his take on it, likely with suits breathing down his neck. I'm not a big fan of it myself, but.... it is what it is.

In any case, I would love to ask these investors for which other game has succeeded with WoW's formula, aside from WoW itself. The answer is rather "ovular". lol This is not FF. It's WoW with FF character models. A good part of the reason why the community is so torn. Loses it's appeal rather quick when playing mechanics you've already been playing for 12 or so years to date. Great for new to the genre players, bad for anyone who's been in mmo's for a few years.

I'm really sorry to hear that this has been your experience. Personally mine has been the exact opposite. We are organically growing each week and we have more active players at the same time. It's all about trying to build a community within your free company. Our goal was never progression, but just to hang out and have fun. Some of us progress and others don't and for the most party this seems to work out. I understand though that I may be in the exception and not the rule.\

P.S. Also in the last few weeks and the coming weeks a whole bunch of new games will be coming out. This probably isn't helping.

Personally, when the quitting players are those who calls "successful" who goes to coil farm stage, and "failure" all others, I'm just happy and makes me want subs for another five years in a row.

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Originally Posted by Royze

Look to your community and please be honest with us and yourselves; aren't people dropping like flies?

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No.

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