1 click Turn 2 strat broken?

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Originally Posted by Ryios

Defend this cheap strat all you want. When they patch it, I will have a good laugh when I see groups who had 1-4 on farm stuck on turn 2 again.

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Lol, still don't understand why people develop a superiority complex over something like this.

I have defeated this Turn 2 using 3 different methods now - does that make me super awesome cause I beat in 3 different ways now lol ? I've won using these methods:

1) "Standard" way - stand in circle ,"w", whatever... and pass rot
2) Stacking on rot way - method where you make one full pass of the rot then everyone stacks on eachother and moves in tandem to avoid AOE moves
3) Enrage method (you already know)

So there - I've tried and won using all 3 methods. And guess what, it doesn't bother me at all what method people use.

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Originally Posted by DenzelTaru

I don't see what makes a WHM better at this?

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White Mage is a throughput healer. Scholar is a mitigation healer. Both are very important, and Scholar is very powerful except - and this is important - in the realm of filling the healthbars backup. As a mitigation healer, Scholar excels at preventing the healthbars from going down, but the role of the White Mage is to fill the bars back up. There is a throughput limit that every Scholar has (especially in terms of AoE healing) because half of their healing is tied to shields. Their only real source of "burst" is Lustrate - which makes them fabulous tank healers but not exactly phenomenal raid healers in situations of extreme high damage. Consider, too, the high chost of Succor in relation to the actual healing it does (not looking at the shielding - that's very important, but again, it doesn't fill the healthbars back up).

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with a SCHs succor you get 3 things happening:

1- initial heal, around 350 at iLv 80

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Meanwhile ADS is hitting you for ~1500.

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2- shield for the same amount, making that heal worth 700

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Which means the next hit is for ~1150, of which only 350 is filled back up.

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3- Crits, which you see alot of, for 560ish which then shields for 1120 for a maximum of 1680 negated

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This only matters for the spell Adloquiem. When Succor crits, the shield is not doubled.

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i wouldn't discourage people from taking SCHs now in this already laughable strat

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The incoming damage is such that it really does work out better if you take 2-3 White Mages. 1 Scholar probably won't kill you, but unless all healers are geared to the teeth, it's going to be touch and go because the Scholar just doesn't have the burst to keep up (though with two good White Mages, a Scholar could very much help with smoothing out the damage pattern).

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Originally Posted by WiseWolfHolo

I say buff the pulse damage to make it a "gear" check mechanic at least. My group has never and will never do this "strat"(if you can even call it that) because overall I find it to be broken.

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It's absolutely a gear check mechanic - for your healers, at any rate, and to an extent, for everyone else.

i think the reason se hasnt done anything about this is cause this isnt the last boss of coil so they just let it pass, if it was the last boss their stance would probably be different. I believe if people cant get past t2 as it was designed then they have little to no chance at t5. Im actually curious how many people completed t5 who havnt done t2 as it was intended.

At the end it doesnt matter cause you guys are just cheating yourselves with this strategy, so goodluck in further content.

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Originally Posted by wildgalax

i think the reason se hasnt done anything about this is cause this isnt the last boss of coil so they just let it pass, if it was the last boss their stance would probably be different. I believe if people cant get past t2 as it was designed then they have little to no chance at t5. Im actually curious how many people completed t5 who havnt done t2 as it was intended.

At the end it doesnt matter cause you guys are just cheating yourselves with this strategy, so goodluck in further content.

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These comments don't make a lot of sense really. T5 is harder than T2, but it is also completely *different* as well. What if T2 wasn't a part of Coil at all and just some separate dungeon that not too many people did? I'm sure people who are beating T5 would have still learned it just fine if T2 didn't exist at all. I would challenge anyone to explain what "skills" you get from T2 help you beating harder stuff like T5 or Titan Extreme, etc. ? I've encountered *nothing* in T5 that makes me think "Wow, i'm glad I learned how to deal with rot in T2" lol.

Did anything in you learned in T1 help you to beat T2 ? Did anything you learned in T2 help you beat T4? From my viewpoint, the answer is a big no. All these encounters are totally different.

To continue on this point more - did beating Ifrit HM really help you beat Garuda HM ? Did beating Garuda HM really help you beat Titan HM ?

It seems like most people who do this already have turn 2 cleared multiple times.

I'm sure some of the people in this thread also think that if you're not pugging Titan to get relic for your 4th alt, and instead get overgeared FC members to carry you through, you're somehow doing it wrong.

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Originally Posted by zPanda

These comments don't make a lot of sense really. T5 is harder than T2, but it is also completely *different* as well. What if T2 wasn't a part of Coil at all and just some separate dungeon that not too many people did? I'm sure people who are beating T5 would have still learned .

Did anything in you learned in T1 help you to beat T2 ? Did anything you learned in T2 help you beat T4? From my viewpoint, the answer is a big no. All these encounters are totally different.
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I have to totally disagree, from personal experience every dungeon has helped me improve my game, there is a lot of learning gained even if you dont realise it. So im just curious how many people that have only done this strategy have succeeded in t5, just trying to pick up on a correlation.

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Originally Posted by wildgalax

I have to totally disagree, from personal experience every dungeon has helped me improve my game, there is a lot of learning gained even if you dont realise it. So im just curious how many people that have only done this strategy have succeeded in t5, just trying to pick up on a correlation.

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There hasn't been a single dungeon or fight that I've seen so far that's helped me "improve my game." In fact, about 90% of things I encounter, I'm like, "Oh, it's like World in Flames" or "Oh, it's like Cosmic Barrage" or "Oh, hey, that's like Putricide's debuff!" It's an extreme sense of Deja Vu - only less complicated, less engaging Deja Vu.

I haven't seen Turn 5 there. It's possible there's a grand mystery in Turn 5 that will reveal to me how wrong I've been all this time, and will magically improve my gameplay. I doubt it, though.

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Originally Posted by LiadansWhisper

There hasn't been a single dungeon or fight that I've seen so far that's helped me "improve my game." In fact, about 90% of things I encounter, I'm like, "Oh, it's like World in Flames" or "Oh, it's like Cosmic Barrage" or "Oh, hey, that's like Putricide's debuff!" It's an extreme sense of Deja Vu - only less complicated, less engaging Deja Vu.

I haven't seen Turn 5 there. It's possible there's a grand mystery in Turn 5 that will reveal to me how wrong I've been all this time, and will magically improve my gameplay. I doubt it, though.

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Its true that anyone who has done Putricide is familiar with the 'pass the plague' mechanic, and everything offered in FFXIV can be found somewhere in a raid encounter in WoW. But then again, not everyone has played WoW and if they did, perhaps they weren't hardcore enough to see those fights. I do think that Square does a good job with their game mechanics, and new players do have an excellent lesson plan if they complete every dungeon/guildhest in sequence before moving onto the trials/raids. The difficulty progression is very steady, much moreso than WoW, where the difficulty sometimes varied heavily between encounters.

And no theres nothing 'new' in Turn 5, you can dissect the fight down to WoW mechanics if you wanted to.

Considering SE programmed the enrage to function this way, I say it's working as intended.

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Originally Posted by zPanda

Did anything in you learned in T1 help you to beat T2 ? From my viewpoint, the answer is a big no. All these encounters are totally different.

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I have to disagree with only that particular point : doing ADS in T1 DO preapare you for the bases of the ADS in T2, aka silencing high voltage, avoiding the rays...

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Originally Posted by Shirai

See red lines, step out

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If only... As both european and no-VPN user, this might prove much more difficult done than said. I often get hit by some shit while being way out of the red lines... even when never being in these at all