Ninja Bard nerf?

so thats what happened.. havent played for long time when i started again i was wondering why i felt so weak in dungeons xD

Glad I just started gearing up my BLM/SMN.

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Originally Posted by KV-1

Honestly I'm more ticked off over the Rain of Death change than the damage nerf.

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^ This

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Originally Posted by Zartan

@Ruddi "BRD is wanted for songs as first then DPS as second."

That's 100% correct. It's a support job.. but NO ONE playing bard supports the party. I've only ever seen 1 bard the whole time i've been playing refill MP.. and not even on a regular basis.. probably hit the button on accident and forgot about it.

All bards want to do is spam aoe and high powered moves on targets the tank isn't even hitting even with marks.. Never met a good bard.. ever. Maybe this nerf will bring your head out of the clouds and help you realize what you should be doing.

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Sad to hear you haven't meet a BRD using songs and that is always bad bards, if you have BLM, SMN or even WHM Foe Requim is so nice and in SP SR BRD restore PT's MP during the runs and boosting magic damage during killing. A BRD who don't use songs when there is a purpose for it IS a bad bard.

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Originally Posted by ARR_Token

I could be wrong but thanks for ninja nerf done to bards.

Blood Letter = 150 potency and now it's 130 potency
Straight shot = 140 potency and now it's 130 potency

I didn't bother to go test on dummys and do the math to see if tool tip is wrong or it's a ninja nerf but yeah...what's up with the ninja nerf?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kV4vHpqrj6E

a special song for u.
Bards are not Damagedealer they are supporter. If u read the liveletter u know that poor man

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Originally Posted by Chibiyoukai

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kV4vHpqrj6E

a special song for u.
Bards are not Damagedealer they are supporter. If u read the liveletter u know that poor man

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There are no support classes in ARR. There probably won't ever be support classes in ARR, because either they are going to be too good and be able to completely fill primary roles, or they will just be replaced by primary role classes (as we see people doing with Bards now).

Bard sustained damage isn't low because they are supposed to be a support class, Bard sustained damage is low because their damage is completely unaffected by movement and they basically have 100% uptime on bosses. That's not to say I agree with the recent nerf, but I think that's mostly because Bard burst skews numbers on trash pulls, short fights, and fight with down time. Most whining about Bards being OP came from people running AK months ago, now that people are in coil and actually getting a decent read on DPS performance, they are realizing Bard really wasn't OP at all. Sadly these realizations came too late.

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Originally Posted by Chibiyoukai

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kV4vHpqrj6E

a special song for u.
Bards are not Damagedealer they are supporter. If u read the liveletter u know that poor man

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The larger issue here is that this is an undocumented change. It's not in the notes, it wasn't in mentioned in any of the live letters and comments from the community reps seem to greatly imply something of this nature wasn't going to happen.

This sort of behavior is important to address because it can ruin any sense of trust between the players and the developers. It is incredibly important that any direct changes to abilities like this at the VERY LEAST make it into the patch notes.

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Originally Posted by Ferth

The larger issue here is that this is an undocumented change. It's not in the notes, it wasn't in mentioned in any of the live letters and comments from the community reps seem to greatly imply something of this nature wasn't going to happen.

This sort of behavior is important to address because it can ruin any sense of trust between the players and the developers. It is incredibly important that any direct changes to abilities like this at the VERY LEAST make it into the patch notes.

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Testing is showing that these are just tooltip errors. More than likely what happened is that Square originally intended to nerf Bloodletter and Straight Shot, then decided to nerf the cross-class abilities instead, but forgot to change the tooltips back for BL/SS.

There are multiple posts both here and on general of people testing numbers and finding SS/BL to be putting out the same damage range as pre-2.1.

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Originally Posted by KV-1

Testing is showing that these are just tooltip errors. More than likely what happened is that Square originally intended to nerf Bloodletter and Straight Shot, then decided to nerf the cross-class abilities instead, but forgot to change the tooltips back for BL/SS.

There are multiple posts both here and on general of people testing numbers and finding SS/BL to be putting out the same damage range as pre-2.1.

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Interesting. I'm wondering if the Monk ability Fists of Fire is also a tooltip error?

Tool tip errors or not, the dmg output is quite noticeable. If you can't tell a difference then you you don't know your class very well. It may not be the end of the world but don't try to deny the nerf.