Will 2.1 offer any lasting content to players who are on or cleared turn 5?

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Originally Posted by Leadros

i enjoy it very much, but i also enjoy the feeling of having a fresh new raid that challenges me and my guild. instead i get a dungeon where i can gear alts. OH WAIT i can gear alts in bahamuts coil :^). so why do i need crystal tower again?
oh right, to do coil! but wait! i can do coil turns in AK greens and darklight already! wouldnt that make crystal tower kinda pointless?

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I'm sorry you feel that way. I think you have a valid playstyle but I, personally, just can't agee with it if that's how you think.
I love challenging content as well and I do think it's unfortunate they couldn't have crystal tower on release like they planned to.
Then it would be a stepping stone to coil like it was meant to be. That was their intention. This is just how it is now.

I just really don't see it being pointless though.
Crystal Tower is still new content. It might be lower tier but it's not that much lower. That's still something to do.
We don't know if it will be so faceroll-able that there's no reason to step in it, so assuming that is pointless.
Gear is out of the picture for your main class, that's true but is that the only reason you do things.
Obviously, it's ideal to do content and get rewarded but taking one part out of that doesn't negate the other as well.

Also, for me, I play both my MNK and BLM in coil. But my MNK is my main, so my BLM never gets any myth upgrades.
I can do turn 4 as BLM with just darklight and relic(no +1), however now I can get upgrades for my BLM from Crystal Tower as well as any coil drops that others don't need.
So my alt BLM can still benefit from Crystal Tower and get better without any slowing of my MNK's gear.

So on both points, I can't really agree it's pointless.
But maybe it's because even though I think gear is fun to get, I enjoy this game for more than just that.
I'd be hard-pressed to believe Crystal Tower will be so trivial that it won't be interesting to experience all the fights in there.
But then again, I still do the primals a good bit just for the sake of it. So maybe I'm easily impressible.

SE could throw every MMO in the world at someone and you could easily ask "But what will I do when I am done with that?"

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Originally Posted by Sinth

PvP, extreme primals, new dungeon, hard mode dungeons, treasure hunts. 2.2 will expand Coil, 2.3 will expand CT. So keep on keepin on.

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pvp, okay, extreme primals maybe. new dungeon gets outgeared by 90s gear, so do hardmodes, treasure hunts are only for tomes.

so it boils down that the real content that i can do is 3 months full of pvp. and not one raid for me to do that i dont outgear. thats my problem with this patch.

why talk about 2.2 when i want to know whats in there for me in 2.1?

Leadros: Maybe there is nothing for you in 2.1. If you finish everything, what do you expect to do? I don't feel SE has to give you a new harder tougher dungeon every patch.

Perhaps you could walk around town gathering money for those who have lost homes, families and friends in the Phillipines.

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Originally Posted by Leadros

pvp, okay, extreme primals maybe. new dungeon gets outgeared by 90s gear, so do hardmodes, treasure hunts are only for tomes.

so it boils down that the real content that i can do is 3 months full of pvp. and not one raid for me to do that i dont outgear. thats my problem with this patch.

why talk about 2.2 when i want to know whats in there for me in 2.1?

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So 90% of what you said is speculation... Who is to say the new dungeon wont be dropping ilvl90? Who is to say extreme primals wont do the same? Yoshi said treasure hunts would yield tomestones, but he did not say that would be all they would yield (and I highly doubt that is all they will).

Even if you are right and there is nothing for you except for PvP, just accept the fact that you are in the top 5-10% of players and that you won't be catered to until others catch up. That is the price you pay for leading the pack in MMOs. Its nothing new, get used to it.

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Originally Posted by Loony_BoB

Leadros: Maybe there is nothing for you in 2.1. If you finish everything, what do you expect to do? I don't feel SE has to give you a new harder tougher dungeon every patch.

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so why do they have to do it for "casuals" or ppl who play the game slower? they can have their fun in coil, its still fresh for them. and after that, they can progress in crystal tower just like ppl who finished coil no, would do. wouldnt that make way more sense?

at this rate, ppl who cleared coil jumped over one progression point

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Originally Posted by Leadros

im having endgame right now, in form of coil. but this wont last 3 months. if the next patch is even on time.
and sorry, i have a dragoon, 2 50s crafter and 1 50 gatherer all done inbetween.

and you really judge me because YOU dont like my playstyle? im not giving 2 shits about you not being able to play as much as i can. but ignoring the other half of the playerbase who alreayd is doing coil is fucking stupid

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First of all, coil will last 3 months and longer if it needs to, whether you or others like you wanna whine.

Second, I don't give any shit about your playstyle; pointing it out was simply showing the reason you're nearly done with coil.

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Originally Posted by Leadros

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at this rate, ppl who cleared coil jumped over one progression point

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That's exactly what the situation is. Anyone who's completely cleared Coil used the game's means of covering the gap, where CT will go, to skip the 'practical' purpose of CT.

Personally, I'm just glad I prefer to enjoy dungeons for the actual experience of the dungeon locations, monsters, etc, and not just for the gear they offer. Otherwise, yeah, I'd be pretty ticked about 2.1's amount of content too if I looked at dungeons and raids like they were stores in a shopping mall. It probably also helps that I intentionally stopped gearing my main class/job after I got full darklight and relic with the intention of waiting until 2.1 comes out and started leveling Pld and Drg while I wait. :3

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Originally Posted by Otoha

First of all, coil will last 3 months and longer if it needs to, whether you or others like you wanna whine.

Second, I don't give any shit about your playstyle; pointing it out was simply showing the reason you're nearly done with coil.

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The total number of days between Saturday, August 17th, 2013 and Wednesday, November 20th, 2013 is 95 days.
This is equal to exactly 3 months and 3 days.

To this time, add around (just speculating) 15, so near 4 months.
To the result add another 3 months until 2.2 (since they said we would have big patches every 3 months).

So, in theory Coil has lasted 3 months. And will be hardest content in the game for almost 6 months. Seems a little bit much.

To answer the OP question: 2.1 will not have content for Coil raiders or people who have beaten Twintania. Content will be there as gil and time sinks but we won't get any gear progression. While unlikely we might get another set of iLvl90 gear which can be used...at Coil, to get more iLvl90 gear (lol).

I have a feeling that Yoshi wants all of us in iLvl90 by the time 2.2 comes out.

Yoshi said that ppl who cleared coil can enjoy the Wolves Den for 2.1. I'm curious to see how that will work out. I do not think the 4v4 format will be very popular even with new skills. The 8v8 does have potential I think. Objectives should also be added. Granted it is an arena, but gimmicks can be added to make it a whole lot more fun than straight 8v8.