Make FFXIV more like FFXI and less like WoW

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Originally Posted by Velhart

SE themselves said numerous times that F2P model is not an option, especially since it is a self-funded game. Other MMO's go F2P because they overestimate the amount they are bringing in, and doing so cannot pay their investors, so they go F2P to get that quick cash and pay off their investors. SE does not have investors backing up their game, all funds on ARR came out of their own pocket. F2P doesn't mean a game has failed, it means on the business side they overestimated their sales and bit them in the ass. These failing F2P games people refer to last I call are still going strong. Aion, Tera, SW:TOR, GW2, they all have a good sized population to keep them up and running for many years.

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Add LOTRO to the list. When the game went F2p, it got better ^^

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Originally Posted by Magis

Good point on the lack of danger. I can literally run though Imperial Castrums or beastmen strongholds w/o a care in the world. It's silly. ...Then you have to decide if you brave going through it, try to go around the mob and avoid aggro, or find another way.

Sadly at 50 I can just run through those areas and ignore everything.

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Aaaah the "dreaded" castrums. No danger there at all. The beast men stronghold in Thanalan is literally candy land. There is a FATE there for the Unfinished Curtana I believe where the other fate mobs don't even aggro, just the boss. Now, Don't get me wrong, I would be mad as hell if I died, but then I would get some people together and stomp the mob. MAKE me strategize in the open world. MAKE me fear the enemies that await me out there.

Does anyone remember Caedarva Mire?

Mobs leash in FFXIV unlike XI, if they did then the open world would be more dangerous.

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Originally Posted by Lord_Zlatan

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I accept your Point of view, sure a core will be always there, but no1 knows if the core is stable and high enough to preserve them for going f2p.

You mentioned something they added some stuff in 2.1 what most Players wanted, sure we have a kick function which will be used for the wrong Terms, we have 30 minutes lockout for dungeons when we going to leave a Group we dont want to deal with. While i enjoyed XI, i coudlnt anymore since Abyssea because of the Casuals easy mode aspects they added.(sure the combat System and Variation on spells is still stunning for me).

With the Level cap increase in XI they destroyed alot more classes with it and added new relic weapons they were better in the most Terms then the Dynamis ones plus they were easier to get and alot faster to achiev, they destroyed the whole Balance of the game and focused more on the easy way mode and were thinking they going to attract even more Players, Abyssea killed the game for alot People it lost alot subbings and couldnt attract any new Players because the game is very old now. Even the XI Team mentioned that it was one of their biggest mistakes, but they had their Chance and i can only speak for myself and they had their Chance and i am not going to give them another Chance, its the same here with ARR for me, while i enjoyed 1.23 alot because the Basics this game had, had alot potential (talking about combat System) this complex tp gain + feed tp to Encounter System would had gave us a way more complex and thrilling game then this button smashing dodge-jump'n'Run adventure we have now. To be honest, how can i enjoy a Boss Encounter when i am always watchingi my Cool Downs and Red Lines of Death or the HP bars of my Group mates

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Originally Posted by Velhart

SE themselves said numerous times that F2P model is not an option, especially since it is a self-funded game. Other MMO's go F2P because they overestimate the amount they are bringing in, and doing so cannot pay their investors, so they go F2P to get that quick cash and pay off their investors. SE does not have investors backing up their game, all funds on ARR came out of their own pocket.

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I'm sorry- but what?

SE is a publically traded company, and there were articles about how if XIV failed, SE could be bankrupt.

Just because there isn't one single investor that bankrolled this project, doesn't mean there is not pressure to perform for investors.

Do you really think that the capital for this project just magically appeared... or that it was funded by the development staff?

Yes, the stakeholders are more diffused, but I really don't understand this idea of "they funded it themselves"? Everyone answers to someone.. and this is no different. There is no magical petty cash drawer that paid for this game, it came out of company capital- but that is investor capital.

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Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

I'm sorry- but what?

SE is a publically traded company, and there were articles about how if XIV failed, SE could be bankrupt.

Just because there isn't one single investor that bankrolled this project, doesn't mean there is not pressure to perform for investors.

Do you really think that the capital for this project just magically appeared... or that it was funded by the development staff?

Yes, the stakeholders are more diffused, but I really don't understand this idea of "they funded it themselves"? Everyone answers to someone.. and this is no different. There is no magical petty cash drawer that paid for this game, it came out of company capital- but that is investor capital.

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You are spinning the argument around. Out of SE's own mouth, said this game will not go to a free to play model and explained why. I don't pretend to know how SE's business works, but I am sure they know their business much better than you do.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

Open world: Treasure hunting, quests, guildleves, hunting log, FATE's, crafting, gathering, dailies (Open world PvP zones in 2.2-2.3)

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Just feel like pointing out >.> quests, leves, logs, technically FATEs, crafting, gathering and dailies, all soloable. Sure theres a few things "open world", but what's the point if it's all solo stuff, it defeats the purpose of a mmo. I'm sure more people would be happy if the open world stuff actually required people (don't say TH, maps say 8 people but you can do them with 3-4), stuff like open world endgame or places to explore (open dungeons with danger!)

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Originally Posted by Recaldy

Mobs leash in FFXIV unlike XI, if they did then the open world would be more dangerous.

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It wouldn't be so much dangerous, as a slight annoyance- you can still outrun everything, and Level 50 things even at a low level don't 1 shot you, so unless they're ranged.

Also, being followed by those sylphs casting Heavy to the end of the world, would just make things more annoying.

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Originally Posted by Obysuca

Just feel like pointing out >.> quests, leves, logs, technically FATEs, crafting, gathering and dailies, all soloable. Sure theres a few things "open world", but what's the point if it's all solo stuff, it defeats the purpose of a mmo. I'm sure more people would be happy if the open world stuff actually required people (don't say TH, maps say 8 people but you can do them with 3-4), stuff like open world endgame or places to explore (open dungeons with danger!)

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I wouldn't argue against expanding on certain features we already have. One thing I was disappointed to see go from 1.xx was Faction Leves, which you spawned HNM like mobs to fight open world. Simply expanding the guildleve system would do wonders on open world. Make certain requirements to open the leve, and have it drop decent items when beaten. I am also not a fan of how Odin and Behemoth are set up. I love how FATE's work, but I can't say if I agree with using it for higher bosses like Odin and Behemoth. Despite the fix, there are just too many people on them and it is hard to get a high grade just because of that. Just make tough conditions to get the guildleve for Odin or Behemoth and have a 8 man party formed to take them down. Get their points as a reward to buy stuff like it currently does now. Guildleves don't just have to be a tool for leveling, it has potential to be expanded, user friendly, and accessible to all players for open world content.

Problem with what people suggest in here is that they ask for content like open world HNM's and don't think of the consequences of putting them in a game like this, like heavy congestion to an area. It isn't to say you can't do something like this, but you have to think of what is the best method of doing so. However, if the HNM is popped like a guildleve, then it isn't something that can be congested with hundreds of people trying to get it.

I am never against open world content. Same as I am never against instanced content. They just have to work in the context of the game's mechanics and foundation.

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Originally Posted by Dragonjin

Game just came out recently. I like how the developers are working hard to fix all the bugs first. Don't forget the first content patch is coming out soon. Some of the elements in FFXI will be here but there will be elements from other games too to try to make the game unique in its own way. Just give the game some time.

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they been fixing bugs for 3 years, how much more time do they need?