Female Hrothgar as a playable race. Show your support!

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

this was clearly the best path to pleasing the most people.

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And also arguably displease the most. Because now not only did they antagonize the people who wanted the missing options, they got a bunch of people upset over the principle of reintroducing the genderlocks despite not caring about either race in particular (and of course this also highlighted the unrest among people who wanted the missing options who took offense to this on a principle on top of it all).

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

And also arguably displease the most. .

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Nope.

This path gives people who want a Beastly race a Beastly race and it gives people who wanted Viera the Viera that have always been in the games.
Again, this is under the notion that this is It for additions. Either Viera would have been passed over again for good or we would never get a unique beastly race. This gives us both with the options that would be most popular.

There is nothing that makes me think very many people are up in arms about the monogenders.

I still love that you're saying all that while on a fem Roe. That said.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

This path gives people who want a Beastly race a Beastly race and it gives people who wanted Viera the Viera that have always been in the games.

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Ignoring that many of the requests for the races included the missing genders much. Especially after Au Ra females turned out to be waifus, there was also request for more beastly females. We didn't get that. And the mystery that is male Viera remains a mystery.
"The people who wanted X" - there's more to that X than only what we got.

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This gives us both with the options that would be most popular.

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There's the whole debate about between what we were given and what was missing (specifically the males) what would really be most popular but you and I have been through it enough times, I believe.

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There is nothing that makes me think very many people are up in arms about the monogenders.

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Confirmation bias. For me I can say that most people I know are upset over this in one way or another and some have gone from playing less already to unsubbing outright. Neither of us have the numbers, only our anecdotal experiences.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

- snip - This gives us both with the options that would be most popular.

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i dislike this logic. just because something is more popular doesnt mean you should ignore the other options. surely as a femroe you can see that.

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Originally Posted by Lihtleita

i dislike this logic. just because something is more popular doesnt mean you should ignore the other options. surely as a femroe you can see that.

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Also this options will just not be the most popular.
A sexy handsome male bunny will sell 50 times more fantasia, and if they make them right female hrotgar would sell even more than males, considering that makes have roegadyn and au ra for something different while females literally only have roegadyn considering au ra female is miqote with horns.
This is by no me and the most popular choice, and if were going by most popular then they would have never done female roegadyn, which would have been a total shame considering it's one of he coolest races in game.
Vieras are like miqote but taller and most likely in skimpier "armor" Which is way more popular than roegadyn with thinner waist a tail and a different head.
That being said, if they were going to do hrotgar cus whatever reason, then they should have stuck to it and given us viera at 6.0 or vice versa, not what we got.
They say we got 2 new races but that's like saying we got 4 casters

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Originally Posted by zeylos

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They say we got 2 new races but that's like saying we got 4 casters

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This doesnt make any sense.

Also Hrothgar being less popular, less sales? Its about variety, not for profit maybe? Maybe Yoshida wanted to please his player base by giving one of each and planned the other missing genders in future expansions? But ah yes, we pay the game, hence we own Yoshida and the Dev team. How dare they to do what they want. (Again, your words)

I wasnt toxic, or at least I wasnt trying to be. I was stating facts and your words. I didnt leave the other thread cause of my last post, I left cause I couldnt keep up reading your nonsense.

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Originally Posted by xbahax92

When reading "I would like to have male Viera in 5.1, 5.2 and maybe before female Hrothgar", proves my point by far. Also that they would be ok to sacrifice content to get the opposite genders is also a bit to much (in my opinion?).
Its not my job to call people fanatics, but if they appear to have the attitude of "I cannot play this game without them anymore or I need them in my life" should not act like one.

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The best would be to have it released at the same time but is there truly something wrong if someone states that if they dont release at the same time they would want x sooner than y? If SE would come out and say that they can only release one of the genders in 5.x and the other in 6.0 and we should say what we want first (which I doubt would happen but lets pretend for a second it does) I would say female Hrothgar first even though it might be the less popular one of the two, simply because it would be the one that I would probably play. The same for those that want male Vieras. Still both sides can support the other race too just not with the same priority. (And the poster you mean already stated that they would turn on of their alts into a female Hrothgar so he is not against it either)

But why is someone already a fanatic in your eyes (which is a personal attack too) just because they dont want to further play the game if they dont have a certain gender of a race that will come? Is someone also a fanatic if they would stop playing if SE suddenly decides to not include any further Ultimate or even savage content in general? Or if someone loves PVP and they say that we dont get a new map anymore? You will certainly also have things that will stop you from playing a game further, are you then a fanatic? They simply have a different view on what is important for them and of course they will discuss that deeply because it matters to them. Just like others will discuss points if it matter to them too. And those that say that it affects their rl, may just be overdoing it to show how much they care about this without it truly affecting their lives.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

Nope.

This path gives people who want a Beastly race a Beastly race and it gives people who wanted Viera the Viera that have always been in the games.
Again, this is under the notion that this is It for additions. Either Viera would have been passed over again for good or we would never get a unique beastly race. This gives us both with the options that would be most popular.

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This path gives those that want to play as a male beastly race their wish and those that want to play as a female viera their wish. There are others like for example me that still cant play their female beast character and if we dont complain about this to SE they will think its fine and we never get the missing gender. Which means that instead of hoping that I one day get to play as a cool beastly female, I know that I cant while the males do..which annoys me way more than them introducing just the whole Viera race and never getting a beastly race at all. (And its even harder after they said that the Hrothgar came first and that we could have had the females too..)

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

Nope.

This path gives people who want a Beastly race a Beastly race and it gives people who wanted Viera the Viera that have always been in the games.
Again, this is under the notion that this is It for additions. Either Viera would have been passed over again for good or we would never get a unique beastly race. This gives us both with the options that would be most popular.

There is nothing that makes me think very many people are up in arms about the monogenders.

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Again this logic doesn't work because going by player data, Miqo'te and Lalafell are some of the most played raced. If they REALLY wanted to go with what would be objectively popular, releasing another cute race would be better by that logic. That's even discounting that miqo'te male gets played more than roe's and is one of the top played male races, if we're going based simply on actual census and not just opinion really.

Hrothgar was done because they wanted to diversify typing's and what the developers wanted to begin with, it honestly has nothing to do with popularity or pleasing both sides. It's the same thing as BLU and Eureka's implementation it was mostly what Yoshida or someone on the development team felt fit their vision better.

Either way we'll just get the missing genders in 6.0 more than likely all things considered so there's no point in harping on people who want them.

I'm gonna keep using this example to the death because it's the most apt one, but look at Warlords of Draenor for WoW. It looked awesome at first! Garrisons were cool, story so far was pretty alright! Raid tiers were great, too. I still think Blackrock Foundry is one of the best raids ever made in an MMO. After a while though, that illusion fell apart. Because of the garrison system, which was a player-requested system, the content in the rest of the expansion didn't exist. The only goal there was, was to just raid. That's it. There was nothing to do at all, besides just raid. Garrisons were an expensive part of the development process for WoD, and because people wanted it so badly, we lost content because of it. And it's considered WoW's 2nd worst expansion, just behind BFA. It's extremely likely we'd have a similar scenario if they worked to implement new genders mid-Shadowbringers, and I'm telling you now, those new genders would NOT make you like the expansion if it lacked everything else an MMO needs to be fun. Garrisons didn't make people like WoD (as a matter of fact people HATED garrisons after a short while), and Zandalari trolls (one of the most highly requested races in WoW, besides High Elves) didn't make people like BFA. So, as much as I want to play a female Hrothgar and want people to get male Viera, they need to take to the sidelines until the next expansion.

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Originally Posted by Renthas

I'm gonna keep using this example to the death because it's the most apt one, but look at Warlords of Draenor for WoW. It looked awesome at first! Garrisons were cool, story so far was pretty alright! Raid tiers were great, too. I still think Blackrock Foundry is one of the best raids ever made in an MMO. After a while though, that illusion fell apart. Because of the garrison system, which was a player-requested system, the content in the rest of the expansion didn't exist. The only goal there was, was to just raid. That's it. There was nothing to do at all, besides just raid. Garrisons were an expensive part of the development process for WoD, and because people wanted it so badly, we lost content because of it. And it's considered WoW's 2nd worst expansion, just behind BFA. It's extremely likely we'd have a similar scenario if they worked to implement new genders mid-Shadowbringers, and I'm telling you now, those new genders would NOT make you like the expansion if it lacked everything else an MMO needs to be fun. Garrisons didn't make people like WoD (as a matter of fact people HATED garrisons after a short while), and Zandalari trolls (one of the most highly requested races in WoW, besides High Elves) didn't make people like BFA. So, as much as I want to play a female Hrothgar and want people to get male Viera, they need to take to the sidelines until the next expansion.

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You can't really compare WoW with XIV in terms of content cycle, also this has already been stated as being a false analogy, it's like how people kept complaining we lost an ultimate because of BLU or Blitzball because of mahjong. It's just not true, content that the majority wants and plays like the 24 man or 8 man raids are already long in conceptualization and development WAAAY before we're shown anything, they won't be cancelled or pulled back because of a new race.

It's like saying the reason we lost a healer was because people begged for Blue mage, imagine the amount of content that was in development but cancelled for something else like hildebrand or feast, it's probably more than we'll ever known.