Connecting the DoTs: A Summoner Guide

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Originally Posted by averageamn

How would the benefit from 2 WD be outweighed by a body and an accessory? Not trying to be facetious, just legitimately curious why you'd do that to your team.




This really won't help you, but I've had no recorded spellcast misses at 573...autos have tho.

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In some cases, people may not have the i190 Body yet since it takes forever to attain. So, the increase could be from an i180 - i200 Body vs an i190 - i200 weapon. The Body is likely to be BiS for awhile as well.

Also, just read the past few pages where the stats have been discussed.

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Originally Posted by Grimm08

You make a very large assumption there. The 2 best groups in the world only cleared it because they smashed their faces against it almost non-stop, and very little information about said fight is currently available. On top of that, how do you guarantee that you get the upgrade material over another dps? There are many many other things to consider besides strict numbers.

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Although only 2 groups have cleared A3S, there are lots of groups putting in time as well. Lack of info is not an issue; it's the enrage which is stopping groups from clearing. Each new week of gear lowers that hurdle that much more. It's certainly not unreasonable to expect that a lot more groups will begin to clear with better weapons.

As for guaranteeing getting the Gobtwine, why would they not get it? Any serious group would prioritize giving the drop to the person who could actually use it. It's not like the entire group would be buying body over weapon.

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Originally Posted by Dervy

Sort of. It's half a Simulator, half a DPS model and Excel based. And I need Raw Data to get a working Summoner Damage Model up.

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What kind of data do you need?

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Originally Posted by Judge_Xero

Has anyone measured the difference between Ifrit and Garuda DPS 3.0?

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At i180, Ifrit was about 50 DPS ahead of my Garuda. I haven't really compared the two since.

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Originally Posted by Judge_Xero

Does spd effect Contagion?

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Contagion is an ability rather than a spell, so it's unaffected.

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Originally Posted by ShinryuReishiki

Although only 2 groups have cleared A3S, there are lots of groups putting in time as well. Lack of info is not an issue; it's the enrage which is stopping groups from clearing. Each new week of gear lowers that hurdle that much more. It's certainly not unreasonable to expect that a lot more groups will begin to clear with better weapons.

As for guaranteeing getting the Gobtwine, why would they not get it? Any serious group would prioritize giving the drop to the person who could actually use it. It's not like the entire group would be buying body over weapon.


What kind of data do you need?


At i180, Ifrit was about 50 DPS ahead of my Garuda. I haven't really compared the two since.


Contagion is an ability rather than a spell, so it's unaffected.

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I'm seeing about 40~ DPS in Ifrit's favor at i191, not counting Radiant Shield which is harder to test (1000-2000 damage per use usually, on a single tank).

Garuda's just so dang safe, hard to give up the mechanical freedom (Contagion = can just Ruin spam for the next 30s, so easy to do mechanics with 100% efficiency) and consistency as of right now.

Need to get a working model of a pet.

ima go with the weapon, i'll get the i190 pants which are det crit and lose accuracy. I can't afford to replace the body right now because then i will drop pretty low. losing 116 accuracy in total. :c

Picked up weapon this morning. Seems like the pets get more mileage out of it.

i190 with Hive Grimoire (http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/R6O8)
Auto Attack: 91 - 100
Shadow Flare: 177 - 196
Bio: 286 - 317
Blizzard II: 349 - 384
Ruin II: 565 - 623

Ifrit Auto: 195 - 215
Burning Strike: 389 - 430
Wind Blade: 549 - 605

i192 with Antiquated Almandal (http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/R6O9)
Auto Attack: 92 - 101
Shadow Flare: 182 - 201
Bio: 290 - 321
Blizzard II: 355 - 392
Ruin II: 570 - 630

Ifrit Auto: 199 - 220
Burning Strike: 399 - 441
Wind Blade: 558 - 617

Now if someone could duplicate the gear above but with i200 chest and i210 ring, that'd make my decision before raid so much easier <3

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Originally Posted by ShinryuReishiki

Picked up weapon this morning. Seems like the pets get more mileage out of it.

i190 with Hive Grimoire (http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/R6O8)
Auto Attack: 91 - 100
Shadow Flare: 177 - 196
Bio: 286 - 317
Blizzard II: 349 - 384
Ruin II: 565 - 623

Ifrit Auto: 195 - 215
Burning Strike: 389 - 430
Wind Blade: 549 - 605

i192 with Antiquated Almandal (http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/R6O9)
Auto Attack: 92 - 101
Shadow Flare: 182 - 201
Bio: 290 - 321
Blizzard II: 355 - 392
Ruin II: 570 - 630

Ifrit Auto: 199 - 220
Burning Strike: 399 - 441
Wind Blade: 558 - 617

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I know this is a very small sample size, but it appears ifrit is going to scale a lot better with WD/stats than garuda.

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Originally Posted by Sleigh

Now if someone could duplicate the gear above but with i200 chest and i210 ring, that'd make my decision before raid so much easier <3

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We need to bribe Dervy, so he'll do SMN stats weights next. I have cookies.

If i have the i170 set, what's better: to go for the eso weapon first, or the chest + ring?