Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

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Originally Posted by Dreggit

What is the most important thing when doing Dungeons and raids as a DPS?

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It goes without saying, but it's to do as much damage as possible while maintaining mechanics. In most cases, I'd say mechanics take priority over maintaining your rotation.

The thing about DPS as a role is that it can be very different from healing or tanking. Having played all 6 healer/tank jobs to 58/60, I can say that at their core, all jobs of those roles play similarly to the other jobs within their role.

But with DPS jobs, they're all unique in their abilities. Knowing how to play 1 DPS job does not guarantee you'll be good at the others.

In the case of a large pull, what you do as a DPS will differ based on your job. As a melee or ranged job, one that relies on skills that consume TP, you should try to AOE as much as you can, but don't spam it so much that you run out of TP. But if you're playing BLM or SMN, those jobs have specific in-built traits and abilities that ensure they can AOE all day without running out of MP, so they can go to town.

As a general rule, an AOE attack will always do more damage than a single-target attack, provided it hits 2 or more targets at once. So generally, even in a pull of 2-3 mobs, AOEs do more total damage, but be ready to switch to a single-target rotation when there's only 1 mob left.

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Originally Posted by Dreggit

Now I know there was an argument a couple Pages ago about this very thing but when there is a large pulls should I be targeting what the tank is targeting or should I be using aoe and dots?

What is the most important thing when doing Dungeons and raids as a DPS? I understand the importance of understanding specific mechanics in mobs and what should be priority. But I somehow feel as though not doing enough.

I'm still cycling between the roles to try to decide what's best for me but I can never seem to please everyone all the time haha. Hmm

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With large pulls you are going to want to do an AoE focused rotation for best DPS. Each job has like a specific amount of enemies where AoE is always better, ranged jobs like BRD and MCH like the above poster said for sure if there is 4+ mobs in the group you definitely should be AoEing (I usually AoE at 3+ but some melee jobs need more enemies to make AoE better than single target). Tanks in general have to learn how to hold hate on everything in the pull so that the DPS can AoE and do maximum damage.

DPS main job is DPS. So you learn fights and mechanics in the best way to maximize how much damage you are doing while dodging/doing mechanics as they come at you. Basically a dead DPS does no DPS so you want to do as much DPS as possible while keeping yourself alive and not making too much of a burden on the healers.

Don't have the mentality to please everyone, you'll never do it and it is pointless..some people in this game will berate you for anything even if it is just you not playing the same exact way they do (even if how they play is not the best or if your play style is more than adequate and they nitpick). Mostly if you want to do your best aim to please yourself and just keep working at it and practicing (don't let others bring you down when you are still learning, everyone had a learning experience at one point) and take advice from players you know have good experience on the jobs you want to learn to play well.

Most times I'm reading this thread hoping that I'm not the rando in DF you're complaining about. (So far, so good) But tonight, yeah.... I was special.

Rolled into 60 roulette (Arboretum) and got the warrior who didn't even wait for protect before sprinting off and grabbing all the mobs. Okay, cool. This is fine. Shield up on the go and zone out a bit as I'm throwing out Gravity bombs. At the first boss, the tank starts to back-seat heal a bit, requesting for me to have a enhanced bole for the next pull. Okay, cool, whatever bro. I know I don't need bole to keep him up, but the heart of the cards agreed and gave me to boles back to back. I make the comment that I'm a professional, and he's in good hands. (#famouslastwords)

Big pulls all the way through, we blast through both honey doors easily. The big pulls continue after the second boss, totally fine. I have him topped up and go into cleric's to hit a few gravities, thinking I'll just ED him back up and continue on my mindless gravity spam. Except for when I go to hit back to my other hotbar, it doesn't move. Oh crap. Now I'm awake and this tank is going down fast. Can't switch, can't switch.

Look down to see my cat parked on my keyboard (I use a controller). Yep, that's why I can't switch. By the time I shoo her off the keyboard, it's too late and the tank goes down.

Keep everyone else up and get the tank back, and then apologize in chat.

"Mhmmm"
"Suuuure, Ava. "Cat" on keyboard"
"Totally believe you"

For reals guys! I'm wasn't making that up! It really was the cat!!

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/...nakeyboard.gif

Creator Savage for reset, I miss a heal on the MT and he goes down in A9S (which is usually as mindless as 60 roulette).
"Ava.....was it the cat's fault again?"
"Man Ava, how many cats do you have on your keyboard"?

After Savage, I'm rolling through Expert roulette with some FC peeps. I'm retelling the story from earlier about the cat and the keyboard and the tank.
While doing so, I let the main tank die.

Pardon me, I'll just be in this corner of shame for the rest of tonight.
With my cat.

Had a run of Google Library HM the other day where I was BLM. It went really well and fast and we got the final boss down exactly as his bahamut cast meteor.... and I die with him because like a good BLM I aetherial manipulated to behind the rocks just a second too late because gotta finish that last cast. XD

For yesterday's expert roulette, my AST butt had the pleasure to get a three-man premade with everyone wielding the A12s weapon. There was pretty much nothing I could effectively do, the tank barely needed any heals and the mobs died so fast I couldn't hit them with Gravity unless Swiftcast was up. So I just switched to Nocturnal, shielded the tank before and during the pull, drew some cards and DPSed only the boss fights. Finished in less than 12 minutes <3

I've had about 24ish hours since reset to cap scripture before I'm gone for the rest of the week (until next reset) and boy, the things I have seen since yesterday morning.

The good: after work, all I have to do is run a trial and one other duty, say, Bismarck or Ravana EX, and I'm capped. Also good: got Alex Creator loot drops.

The bad: I was kind of a jerk in Weeping City last night. It was one of the last things I queued for some it was late and I was tired, etc. I queued as PLD and the other two tanks were DRKs. I glanced at their gear, good enough to get in but not current tier, but I was fully prepared to OT because hey, reprisal procs. One of them pulled Spider Boss but couldn't hold hate. The other tried to pick it up and lost it to the BLM on their alliance. I waited a moment to see if either of them would take it back and neither did, so I picked it up and MT'd it for the rest of the fight.

Second boss fight, someone else does a countdown and I pulled, not wanting a repeat of the first boss aggro struggle. What I didn't see was that someone laid down waymarks for the adds. So when they appeared, I picked up the one in the middle, as B usually picks up that one, especially if B is MT. Someone calls me out for not picking up "B add" and I replied B usually picked up the middle. So they snarked about me not reading way marks and we spatted over that briefly but no big deal, no one wipes, and we get to the headstone trash.

So I ask the waymark wiseass if he wants to tank mid at the headstone, too. To which he saucily replies "can't you see the waymarks?" Someone else starts moving waymarks around and another person says "pls...just don't...at least the PLD can hold the boss..." And C's DRK pulls the headstone. They fail to hold it, again, so I picked it up and turned it away from the raid right before it cleaved.

Ozma is fine. Calofisteri is where I was a bit of a jerk. A's DRK does the ready check. A's AST does the countdown. This time I don't pull. Aggro is everywhere for a solid half minute or so before I turn on shield oath and pick up the boss. And it's okay, I'm turning haircuts away from the party, up until I pull her to the edge to avoid the criss cross extensions and she immediately does a haircut on most of the room. "Sorry, my bad," I tell my party, healers are quick to prevent a wipe, and we finish the raid in silence.

I'm shocked to leave and get a comm. I did not deserve one.

The hilarious: queued for mentor in progress on heals and got a party that was in Tam Tara missing a tank. The tank and healer left the two sprouts at the entrance. I said "I'll try to come back on tank," left, switched to DRK, and got a Sastasha in progress near the second boss. Their tank had left them at the very beginning and the AST had healer tanked for them up until that point. And they'd made it almost to the end!

I told myself I'd get to 3000 comms before the year was out.

Got there 10 days early, with the last 2 comms as BLM in A12.

I FEEL SO FREE.

rolled into A9 normal on white mage, got past entrance faust nice and easy

Main tanks says it's his 2nd time, cool, he handled Faust well, cooldowns etc etc

Fullmetal Faust pops down and the OT grabs it

lava pool spawns, Faust explodes and wipes the raid.

people comment to move Faust while it's being dps'd.

OT comments that healers need to heal more...

we pull 3 more times

and 3 more Fausts explode, because they take a lava bath...

on another note, rolled into EX roulette and got Xelphatol, dork knight and 2 bard, (me whm)

Drk and one bard are bashing this other bard about dps etc etc things are being killed very slowly indeed

the whole run took 34 minutes -_-
looked at my parser afterwords, top dps by nearly 300 -_- WHM GG me :D

A bard entered the boss room in A9 while his Requiem was up, which pulled the boss. Nothing special, happens all the time, but this time one of the tanks got locked out.
So, the scholar picked up the adds, our remaining tank popped Hallowed Ground during Faust, and the DPS destroyed everything in no time.
Was fun to see A9 being solotanked :o

Shout out to the two healers who mutually let the DRK in one of my A9N runs die after he wiped the entire party for the sole purpose of resetting his cooldowns. When he went down I picked up the boss, the dps picked up Faust and burst him down, and we cleared it with zero issues while the DRK laid there and said nothing. During loot roll he said "enjoy your reports." I reminded him that GMs review the entire log and they'd see the fact the DRK deliberately wiped the party for cooldown reset. The DRK didn't have much to say after that.