Yoshida-san: Please Give Us a BETTER System for Relics and Future 2.0 Challenges!

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Originally Posted by Murugan

It is required for the endgame content that are the next steps in the Relic quest line, which are tied to endgame DoW/DoM content. Without doing Hamlet you do not have access to the coffers in AV/CC/Strongholds. These are not DoL/DoH content. There are no DoL/DoH relics even, this should be tied to battle content more.

I'm all for having DoL/DoH support endgame, I just don't feel like I should have to level these in order to contribute during content that I need in order to get endgame items I want. Tanking in Hamlet is one of the most mind numbingly dull roles in content ever.

MAYBE it will be better when they raise hamlet, but they haven't and so here we are playing the DoL/DoH gimmick circus. Oooh let me emote for 400 points, YAY FUN!

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you dont have to level dol/doh to do hamlet, again as i said, you only have to do it for the best drop rate(if your not a tank or healer)

this is the same as with the cc/av/dh speed runs
not everyone can do them with the classes they have

does that mean that those clases are useless and they shouldnt be allowed to do them, or shouldnt do them at all?

no it does not, people do them anyway because there is still a reward even if it is not the optimal reward


also a bunch of the rewards for hamlet are dol/doh related, but i guess that doesnt count as it being content for them now does it

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Originally Posted by Kinseykinz

The arguement that SE is using a RNG system with ultra-low drop rates to keep us playing until 2.0 is absurd btw. Most people look at this and just give up. As a matter of fact, I know of MORE people who have left to go play other games due to this whole Relic RNG thing than anything else. These same people would have embraced an 'Epic Battle' questline even if they were 2 weeks in and they couldn't even get by the first battle. RNG is only a challenge of willpower...not of skill, or brains. All having a relic weapon will say of us currently is that we are 'lucky' or 'have no life'. You can still be a crappy player.

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I completely agree with this statement. These are things SE needs to take into mind. Also yes, SE can change things around. They made (well a really crappy way of doing it) token system for Ifrit and Moogle, they can change things around here. RNG is absured for the relic weapons quest and I cannot believe Yoshida would approve of it, its simpy an inhumane process. Also, I am still venting after losing my class weapons in double meld. :)

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Originally Posted by Zezlar

I always went in as DRG...

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Like people say on these forums:

You're an exception. The general community refuses to do anything but "preferred" setups even if something works better, e.g DRG is amazing for Garuda, but people still rather stack Barchers and BLMs, same for Moogle.

It's just sad that the people who play this game say they hope 2.0 will succeed, yet they continue to be ignorant or "ONLY THE BEST!" which is exactly what keeps new players away from MMOs unless they decide: "Hey I can't enjoy the game if I level the classes the I want since no one will invite me or want to go along with me, guess I'll level (required stack class here) and hate playing this game."

Hamlet is pretty fun as MNK and DRG.

PUG will always go with the path of least resistance, that doens't change in any MMO.

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Originally Posted by Chardrizard

PUG will always go with the path of least resistance, that doens't change in any MMO.

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yeah

when i run with my shell, yes we "try" to go for an optimal setup if the people for it are on
but we have no problems dumbing it down and going for less points if thats what we have on too

and those who dont have the optimal jobs, are working on getting them(they woulda been working on something else anyway in their off time so why not right?)

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Originally Posted by Chardrizard

PUG will always go with the path of least resistance, that doens't change in any MMO.

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It sadly even spills into some linkshells, but this is server specific, especially from what my brother says on Durandal that going with a linkshell is pretty much no different than a PUG, not even wiggle room.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

yeah

when i run with my shell, yes we "try" to go for an optimal setup if the people for it are on
but we have no problems dumbing it down and going for less points if thats what we have on too

and those who dont have the optimal jobs, are working on getting them(they woulda been working on something else anyway in their off time so why not right?)

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So essentially:

"We'll go with you if you don't have optimal jobs, but you still better get optimal jobs leveled."

Yes?

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Originally Posted by Elexia

It sadly even spills into some linkshells, but this is server specific, especially from what my brother says on Durandal that going with a linkshell is pretty much no different than a PUG, not even wiggle room.

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thats gonna be linkshell specific

some just dont know how to compromise to let everyone get in on the action, its the best or not at all, and i personaly HATE those kinda shells and am glad i am not in one of them

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

thats gonna be linkshell specific

some just dont know how to compromise to let everyone get in on the action, its the best or not at all, and i personaly HATE those kinda shells and am glad i am not in one of them

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I think it mostly due to LS's on that server following BG's example, being 'world first at x content' and all.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

I think it mostly due to LS's on that server following BG's example, being 'world first at x content' and all.

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ewwwwww yeah that probly doesnt help either
elitism at its worst

really wanted gae bolg, but... savage might IV up to ~1m each? lol nooooope. i'm out.