Feedback Regarding the Relic Upgrade Quest

I know this has been said, and said over and over again, but 'Oh Dear Gods' this FATE grind stuff has to stop. I spent about 7 hours on Friday in the East and North shroud to get absolutely nothing while having to deal with people who feel the need to shout to the zone that they got it. It is infuriating. I don't mind hard work. That is fine, but don't make it completely random. I'd prefer a 'go kill 1000 of these enemies to earn the right to battle some baddie in a BCNM sort of thing for the drop' to 'go do FATES for 7 hours and maybe get a drop.' There is SOOO much to do (and yes there are other paths to take in the game for weapons, we've already been told that this weapon is going to grow with us as we level, so it makes sense to keep up on its progression) there isn't really any time for a person who might have some semblance of a life to be able to complete if the drop rate is going to be this sporadic and random (let alone complete multiple of them).

It is also getting to the point where there are so many people farming FATEs that they aren't up long enough to even get to if you aren't in the immediate vicinity. Come on SE, haven't you learned by now that FATEs aren't the way to handle things like this. Have the development progression make sense, and get rid of the obnoxious random element. I want to feel like I actually earned it rather than feeling I got really lucky. It may take me a bit longer to do than a FATE grind, but I won't hate the world and I'll have a good idea of my path forward.

The design is flawed that it has to change, a new player will be stuck in one or 2 months as hardly anyone will be farming FATES.

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Originally Posted by Irishfae

I know this has been said, and said over and over again, but 'Oh Dear Gods' this FATE grind stuff has to stop.

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Well when you have elitists have a vocal input about how they hate the idea of people having gear this is bound to happen.

I've gone 2 days now without getting Atma of the Lion. I see people come and go even though my luck is the worse when it comes to RNG I'm gonna keep at it into I eventually get it. For now I'm just gonna keep stacking those Titan currencies that I may later use for the kobold daily quests current at 67 total between all 3.

5% drop rate not quite. ive been keeping track, i have done over 700 fates in one area and have yet to get the drop. yes im useing the right weapon, as i have other drops, but 4 people from my fc decided to come join me and all got the drop in 30 mins comparied to my 2 days.

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Originally Posted by Irishfae

I know this has been said, and said over and over again, but 'Oh Dear Gods' this FATE grind stuff has to stop.

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Yep, and i'll say it again: stop forcing us to do fates... THEY'RE NOT FUN! nope! i don't care about fates! thanks to Atmas now i hate them more (if possible). Please. STOP. stop. stop. stop. stop. stop. stop. stop. stop. stop. stop.

Just... just.... STOP!

I hope SE is reading our disappointment and complains and I really hope they'll do something. PLEASE.

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Originally Posted by mircanda

5% drop rate not quite. ..

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But that's just the thing, even with a 5% drop rate, the odds are still there that you can be that unlucky.

The odds of not getting the item per FATE 0.95. What are the odds of not getting the item after 180 FATEs? That'd come down to (0.95^180)*100%; pretty much 0.01%. In other words, statistically speaking, for 1 out of every 10.000 players it's going to be expected that obtaining a single ATMA is going to take 180 FATEs. If we say a single FATE lasts 5 minutes (moving towards, killing and moving back) you can count on 15 hours.

But of course you can also have that 1 in a billion chance, and having it take many more hours to receive the drop. There's no cumulative bonus to counter that, so theoretically speaking there's the chance of being so unlucky that it'd take more FATEs to complete than possible within the span of a single human life. That's the love of RNG for you.

I have a honest question to ask for all the people defending SE's dumb%$@$ decision in regards to the implementation of the Atma quest line and RNG from fates, do you really consider doing Fates repetitively for random items to drop from RNG as teaching players to get better in the game or helping them learn game mechanics? REALLY? To all you defenders of this gaming blunder who have gotten their Atma already, do you think that you have skills because you got it already? REALLY? Square Enix Should have made you get the upgrade from the Zenith by making you defeat so many enemies with your Zenith Weapon either in dungeons or fates until you got to that goal. But making players farm fates to not even help progress a player in game is the most idiotic game design I have seen in a MMO in 10 years. Wake Up SE, listen to what your player base is telling you on how you #@$%ed up and fix this before you lose players to other MMO's before ending up being another Star Wars.......

Honestly, I understand that most people won't be getting this by the 2.25 etc. I understand, they've said that. That's fine. But please don't make it rely on RNG. Make me grind 1000 Fates in an area to get the one atma of the area. I'd rather do that than being hated by RNG gods. At least I know I'm working towards something than hoping it will just drop into my lap.

That said I gave up on doing this as my BLM with the stardust rod zenith and went to get my PLD's curtana zenith over getting accessory upgrades for it. I find it's much harder to contribute in the low level FATEs as BLM when things die within seconds. 12 hours over Friday-Sunday as I wanted to actually work towards i90 on both PLD and BLM, with 1/12 atma to show.

low level fate grinding + 12 rng low chance item drop , its feel like SE want players to ragequit