Make FFXIV more like FFXI and less like WoW

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Originally Posted by Gideon

That makes literally no sense...

So many of these arguments are chasing their own tails. It really comes down to this, FFXIV is successful in the current model it is. If that's WoW, if thats EQ, if thats some amalgamation of all MMOs released to date, it doesnt matter: it works. Quit trying to make it emulate a subpar MMO that has a loyal, but small, fan base. That's what FFXIV 1.0 tried to do and hard failed. Move on, find another game, and dont try and take away from the other fans who out number you, but dont all feel the need to fall on their sword in some forum which doesnt honestly mean a lot.

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You sound afraid. Are you scared Yoshi might hear us out and improve ARR? Afraid to go through what we did and lose your precious game in favor of another you don't like?

Also, as I've said previously popularity does not equal quality, what is more, often is exactly the opposite.

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Originally Posted by Magis

Furor was a famous name due to a lot of items being named after him. It was a little joke during the Vanilla days.

http://www.wowwiki.com/Alex_Afrasiabi

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He was famous for being the GL of the top EQ guild... that aside, the best was when a hacker started talking through NPCs. There were npcs like Shady saying Furor was "lactating gravy"... it was pretty hilarious.

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Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

He was famous for being the GL of the top EQ guild... that aside, the best was when a hacker started talking through NPCs. There were npcs like Shady saying Furor was "lactating gravy"... it was pretty hilarious.

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Sorry, I meant famous in WoW. I read up his EQ history a long time ago. It's interesting how much of the original dev team were ex-EQ raiders.

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Originally Posted by Dannythm

You sound afraid. Are you scared Yoshi might hear us out and improve ARR? Afraid to go through what we did and lose your precious game in favor of another you don't like?

Also, as I've said previously popularity does not equal quality, what is more, often is exactly the opposite.

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He also acts like a child hurling insults when things don't go his way. In the same post that he accuses me of "making things up", he does exactly that.

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Originally Posted by Dannythm

You sound afraid. Are you scared Yoshi might hear us out and improve ARR? Afraid to go through what we did and lose your precious game in favor of another you don't like?

Also, as I've said previously popularity does not equal quality, what is more, often is exactly the opposite.

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Remember, an improvement to one person may not be an improvement to another. This entire thread is about preference based on personal experience, on both sides. I find it kind of silly how vehemently some people argue for their preference while dismissing the others point of view entirely as "wrong" or "stupid". Rather than flame each other why not just post a cohesive comment about exactly what you would like to see then leave it at that?

When you argue here, who are you trying to convince? The other poster, yourself, or the devs? Who do you need to be convincing your idea is good?

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Originally Posted by Dannythm

You sound afraid. Are you scared Yoshi might hear us out and improve ARR? Afraid to go through what we did and lose your precious game in favor of another you don't like?

Also, as I've said previously popularity does not equal quality, what is more, often is exactly the opposite.

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Quite the opposite, if your suggestions were heeded it would diminish the game, and return it to a 1.0-like state (mechanics, not bugs). Which clearly was a massive failure.

lol that was a very hipster comment, im sure tons of games have no population for you to go play.

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Originally Posted by Magis

Sorry, I meant famous in WoW. I read up his EQ history a long time ago. It's interesting how much of the original dev team were ex-EQ raiders.

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Wasn't this because Blizzard employees were huge EQ fans before deciding to do their own MMO? It makes sense to hire as much talent as you can who have the passion you do.

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Originally Posted by MageBlack

Remember, an improvement to one person may not be an improvement to another. This entire thread is about preference based on personal experience, on both sides. I find it kind of silly how vehemently some people argue for their preference while dismissing the others point of view entirely as "wrong" or "stupid". Rather than flame each other why not just post a cohesive comment about exactly what you would like to see then leave it at that?

When you argue here, who are you trying to convince? The other poster, yourself, or the devs? Who do you need to be convincing your idea is good?

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No one, just stating my opinion for those who care, and may feel better if they know they are not alone in desiring something else with this game.

I've already told the devs enough times my opinions since the 1.0 beta (and I've been in ARR since the alpha), and neither back then nor now with ARR I've seen ANY of my concerns addressed, and this game is no longer one I want to play, still it saddens me see it going in the direction it's taken, and I hope it will become a game I want to play again, and as such, I state what I would pay a subscription for.

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Originally Posted by Gideon

Quite the opposite, if your suggestions were heeded it would diminish the game, and return it to a 1.0-like state (mechanics, not bugs). Which clearly was a massive failure.

lol that was a very hipster comment, im sure tons of games have no population for you to go play.

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I think you are not mature enough to have an adequate discussion, but if you are interested, I quit about a month ago and I'm happily having great fun playing Europa Universalis III, but as I paid for six months, I can still post in the forums until April. Also, I have more fun with the game this way than actually playing it.

This thread has reached max level!

(If we ignore Abyssea)

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Originally Posted by Magis

This thread has reached max level!

(If we ignore Abyssea)

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Or has it? I mean, there hasn't been any Hitler comparisons yet... I think.

I hope reasonable discourse starts soon at least. It's pretty depressing reading the General forums as it stands, seems that everyone considers each other an enemy. :p

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Originally Posted by Raminax

Or has it? I mean, there hasn't been any Hitler comparisons yet... I think.

I hope reasonable discourse starts soon at least. It's pretty depressing reading the General forums as it stands, seems that everyone considers each other an enemy. :p

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People always get up in arms in threads like these. That being said, I think there are quite a few people from FFXI and 1.23 who are justifiably disappointed with the direction ARR took. I know I am. That being said, I don't think it's any reason for people to start attacking each other.