Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

Working on my alt-ling's tank jobs. Ended up in Sastasha three times total (twice on purpose with GLD and MAR at 15, then randomed it on levelling roulette later with a FC member in the group).

On all three occasions I ended up with a healer that sat in cleric stance spamming heals the instant my health dropped a single point below full. Well, at least the third guy was clearly new (and a CNJ), and eventually turned cleric stance off, though that didn't cure him of his Medica/Cure spam habits. The other two were AST though.

I know it's only Sastasha, and that you can still clear it just fine even with astoundingly bad healing tendencies (this being why I didn't kick up a fuss over it, even though the nonstop healing sound effects were driving me nuts), but how do people even convince themselves that they're doing a good job that way in the first place? The CNJ I can forgive, since he was obviously new, but the other two? Bah.

Oh yeah and I also got a BRD that kept killing the blasting cap on purpose on the second boss of Copperbell, because he thought it was funny. -_-

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Originally Posted by Cenerae

I know it's only Sastasha, and that you can still clear it just fine even with astoundingly bad healing tendencies (this being why I didn't kick up a fuss over it, even though the nonstop healing sound effects were driving me nuts), but how do people even convince themselves that they're doing a good job that way in the first place? The CNJ I can forgive, since he was obviously new, but the other two? Bah.

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Doesn't help when we have stories of people demanding the healer stop attacking and only heal, or being told your only job is heal and nothing more. Really just bad teachings I feel. Personally get so bored if I am not actively attacking or helping, one reason I didn't like to party much in FF11 originally. Sit...heal...sit...heal.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

The Vault is a level 57 dungeon where level 58 HQ gear is more than appropriate, it doesn't matter that the DRG is synced from 60, DF will sync the stats as if it was level 58 HQ gear.

The whole "synced dps = aggro loss" is only a thing in the first 5 dungeons of ARR due to lack of tank stance, after that there's no excuse other than not knowing how to tank.

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Disagree, it can have a big impact depending on the players - and the DRK was not in pure 58 gear. Even if he were, I don't think it's capped at that point (?)

If the DPS don't go off and attack targets on their own, yes, aggro is fairly easy to hold onto.

Was leveling my AST, was going through the Aery (Funs times all around right?) The party had a rather bad DRG (With a sprout too.). The guy would constantly pull aggro off the tank cause they decided "I'm gonna go tunnel vision and beat up this thing the tank isn't beating up." and they would just run ahead and pull enemies then come running back with them. But the worst part was when we finally got to Nidhogg. They would just got full tunnel vision and focused solely on doing their combos. The other DPS or I would get sabled, he just kept pokin' away at Nidhogg, during the add phase he just sorta sat there and waited for Nidhogg to come back and we'd wipe cause THE DRG ISN'T KILLing DRAGONS! We wiped 4 times, So I slightly snap and explain the Nidhogg fight and explain "When the Sable shows up, please kill it!" and they went "Ok." and then they just quit out. After that a second DRG filled in and we cleared Nidhogg in one fell swoop.

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Originally Posted by Dzian

It does for several reasons. If everyone is focusing the same mob it dies faster. Which in turn reduces the damage the tank takes. Which in turn reduces the healing the healers do which in turn allows healers to contribute more dps. If everyone is targetting a different mob even a 3 mob pull will take longer than necessary to kill. Focus one down move on the next. Unless your at levels where you can rain aoe damage.

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Well...it was mentioned that there was a summoner in party and that it was the Vault. That's all the AoE capability you need right there. When there's a SMN in party there's no such thing as focusing a single target for the tank, they have to rotate and AoE enmity gains. Outside of that, with DRG being the other DPS - whatever the DRG is attacking is what's going to be focused down first and it's mainly going to be the DRG doing the focusing down.

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Originally Posted by Lunaxia

Disagree, it can have a big impact depending on the players - and the DRK was not in pure 58 gear. Even if he were, I don't think it's capped at that point (?)

If the DPS don't go off and attack targets on their own, yes, aggro is fairly easy to hold onto.

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"it can have a big impact depending on the players" - so you're agreeing with me, being bad at tanking is something that depends on the players.

And yes it is capped at that point, you should go do vault with HQ gear since you clearly don't know what you're talking about, with only PLD at 60 I dare say you don't have enough experience tanking either.

Just admit defeat for once in your time in these forums, people have been telling you over and over this is an issue of player skill and not gear and you don't have the experience to back up your claims.

Enough. As a DRK Main I can say this: That tank didn't know what s/he was doing. I may not be amazing, but even I can hold hate on a big group if I don't start the pull with low/no MP, regardless of who's in it. Hell, I've held hate against endgame-geared DPS recently with an average ilvl of about 230 (and an i240 weapon). With competent DPS I have to watch my aggro, but I still generally manage to keep hate.

In The Vault, with half-decent gear, that tank has no excuse. And then raging at the party? He'd get the boot from me, too, no question.

--Erim Nelhah

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Originally Posted by alimdia

are you ok

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No, depending on stats, level, who the DPS attacks, the DPS output, their gear, etc., as I've said a thousand times.

I've actually played the Vault more times than I count on all my classes, tank included, I'm WAR on an alt, and acquainted enough with DRK to know how they work, but thanks for your concern!

In short, I said that DPS should attack the target the tank focuses (unless there's a blatant kill priority being ignored); that's how everyone I know plays, and how the parties I join play. DPS do not decide otherwise. Perhaps at higher levels it doesn't matter as much, but in levelling scenarios with lower-geared tanks and where aggro is a bit dicey, that's what you do. According to the OP's story, the tank and the SMN were attacking the same target; OP was deliberately going after something else - breaking your own "rules", as DPS supposedly "follow the other DPS" or something - then criticizing the tank for the result. I thought that was wrong, and I still think it's wrong, regardless of the opinions of several angry NA players. That's it. I also don't intend to change my mind any time soon, so I suggest finding someone else to try and convince of your authority on such matters. Clearly it's very important to you.

...what about dropping the argument and actually telling new Tales from Duty Finder...?

On topic, my rant about stupid people in Sophia EX preventing me from getting weapons helped a lot, today I got only oneshot clears and three weapons, plus I could buy the remaining weapons with tokens, so I finally have them all. I AM FREEEE~

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Originally Posted by Lunaxia

Chill out.

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Go outside or something if it bugs you that much holy just let it go and move on with your life no one really cares to be honest we know the tank was in the wrong because they were bad so shush and post on topic. If you want internet points or something go somewhere else and be an activist instead of wasting everyone's time on the forums everyone and I mean everyone, has beaten it into your thick skull so please, move on.

In any case I got into Levi EX for mentor roulette today had a great group 6/8 people were new me and the OT taught everyone how to do every phase and even got them on Discord. We ended up clearing on the 4th pull everyone was so happy we had people who never even stepped foot in Extreme back in the day getting their clear and were very nervous but it was an almost flawless clear only 1 person died! Kudos to you guys in my party today you rocked!

Edit: meant to say Levi EX not Seph EX