[Feedback] Wuk Lamat's English Voice

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Originally Posted by Y2K21

Hate to be that person, but I would need the full clip to get full reference.

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She's talking about marketing. Meaning, losing sales or reputation. Your marketing team should should terrify the c-suite about losing sales and damaging the reputation of your IP and brand if you release something offensive and stupid that could have been avoided.

Don't even need context really to work out what's being discussed but it's a woman using strong language to illustrate why you should look outside your bubble, it's a 'threat' instead of 'good business acumen'.

I can't believe the level of snowflake some folks have turned into over stuff.

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Originally Posted by Mosha

How dare you ask for more context. :^)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfMsxjWgUbI&t=1495s

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So, the problem with this "strongarming" thing is that it makes zero sense without the line of her saying "asking for consultants, asking for research". To me, someone who works in a corporate environment, this legitimately just sounds like someone trying to sell the idea of why hiring consultants on these topics is a good idea.

Its worded like crap and comes off crazy, but bringing up potential downfalls and possible issues of certain aspects of a company/product is part of the process of R&D. Though "scaring the crap out marketing to get what you want" is a banger line to make everyone assume you are crazy.

But what is being described is just general R&D and a sales pitch to hire consultants.

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Originally Posted by Souljacker

She's talking about marketing. Meaning, losing sales or reputation. You should terrify them about losing sales and damaging the reputation of your IP and brand if you release something offensive and stupid that could have been avoided.

Don't even need context really to work out what's being discussed but it's a woman using strong language to illustrate why you should look outside your bubble, it's a 'threat' instead of 'good business acumen'.

I can't believe the level of snowflake some folks have turned into over stuff.

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I agree, but that wording at a conference level engagement is horrid and should have not been in the final draft for presentation. But I fail to believe anything sinister beyond just horrid phrasing.

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Originally Posted by Souljacker

She's talking about marketing. Meaning, losing sales or reputation. You should terrify them about losing sales and damaging the reputation of your IP and brand if you release something offensive and stupid that could have been avoided

Don't even need context really to work out what's being discussed but it's a woman using strong language to illustrate why you should look outside your bubble, it's a 'threat' instead of 'good business acumen'.

I can't believe the level of snowflake some folks have turned into over stuff.

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Originally Posted by Y2K21

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"Put this to your higher-ups and If they don't see the value of in what you're asking for consultants and research. Go have a coffee with your marketing team and terrify them of what going to happen if you don't get what you want"

Keyword there is "coffee" which implies that it won't be done in an official formal setting what does imply that she wants people to undermine the team leaders. I would call undermining leadership strongarm tactics.

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Originally Posted by Mosha

"Put this to your higher-ups and If they don't see the value of in what you're asking for consultants and research. Go have a coffee with your marketing team and terrify them of what going to happen if you don't get what you want"

Keyword there is "coffee" which implies that it won't be done in an official formal setting what does imply that she wants people to undermine the team leaders. I would call undermining leadership and strongarm tactics.

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Tell me you have never had a sales or business meeting without telling me you have never had a sales or business meeting.

Wow.

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Originally Posted by Souljacker

Tell me you have never had a sales or business meeting without telling me you have never had a sales or business meeting.

Wow.

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Yup never worked in business. At best it's a poorly worded statement, at worse it's undermining leadership, still not a great look.


No, she isn't malicious, she is just incompetent. Ok cool. (added on to save on posts.)

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Originally Posted by Mosha

Yup never worked in business. At best it's a poorly worded statement, at worse it's undermining leadership, still not a great look.


No, she isn't malicious, she is just incompetent. Ok cool. (added on to save on posts.)

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Yea, it sounds like complete shit how she words it - but in the setting of what they are doing, this isnt too far out of the norm for how you would try to convince to hire consultants or outside services. It depends upon what you view as ethical practices - would you consider a drug representative bringing in a low cost lunch to a doctors office as they are there to represent a pharmaceutical company?

I think the biggest issue is that the consultants should put forth their services to a company to hire them, not have an internal employee try to convince other parts of your team to look for consultants.

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Originally Posted by Mosha

Yup never worked in business. At best it's a poorly worded statement, at worse it's undermining leadership, still not a great look.


No, she isn't malicious, she is just incompetent. Ok cool. (added on to save on posts.)

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No, it's not. It's saving leadership from making potentially huge mistakes and wrecking their entire brand. Small missteps, sometimes you never recover. Ask Casey Hudson what happens when leadership unilaterally implements their personal vision and completely ignores input from others.

Anyone arguing that her wording was poor but not the merits of the advice is quite transparently showing their real agenda. There is nothing wrong with using strong wording while woman.

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

You're really posting a Vivian James comic? You aren't even trying to hide it anymore. ꉂ (´∀｀)

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It's really easier to look at things little more objectively when your starting point is not:
Thing A/Side A = Aligns with views which are comfortable to me, so safe and good.
Thing B/Side B = BAD!!
There is, and always was, as much horrible sludge on both sides of gate.

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Originally Posted by Y2K21

Yea, it sounds like complete shit how she words it - but in the setting of what they are doing, this isnt too far out of the norm for how you would try to convince to hire consultants or outside services. It depends upon what you view as ethical practices - would you consider a drug representative bringing in a low cost lunch to a doctors office as they are there to represent a pharmaceutical company?

I think the biggest issue is that the consultants should put forth their services to a company to hire them, not have an internal employee try to convince other parts of your team to look for consultants.

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I took it more as let's go get a coffee so we are away from prying eyes and ears but I could be wrong and I do get the perspective you are coming from.

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Originally Posted by Souljacker

No, it's not. It's saving leadership from making potentially huge mistakes and wrecking their entire brand. Small missteps, sometimes you never recover. Ask Casey Hudson what happens when leadership unilaterally implements their personal vision and completely ignores input from others.

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Even though ME3's ending was dogwater I don't think Casey Hudson is a good example for the argument you are trying to make. the ME games are great and I would rather have more games like that than a lot of the stuff we get today.