So, how is Pagos?

Pagos is ruined. The NM train is back and it's back to afking and doing nothing most of the time. Going into pagos with a group of 8 to chain demanded teamwork, strategy and commitment. Honestly, if they wanted to fix anything, they could've just made chains give more exp. Turning Pagos into Anemos 2.0 is just dreadful.

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Originally Posted by Inanna

Pagos is ruined. The NM train is back and it's back to afking and doing nothing most of the time. Going into pagos with a group of 8 to chain demanded teamwork, strategy and commitment. Honestly, if they wanted to fix anything, they could've just made chains give more exp. Turning Pagos into Anemos 2.0 is just dreadful.

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Chains are still a better source of light then NMs, so anyone who actually wants to get multiple relics before 4.4 drops will be chaining.

Some ppl like the grind. Some ppl like the train.

But can we all agree neither are good forms of content and SE should hire someone to think outside that very small box they built for themselves and try to come up with something a bit more interesting?

I'm honestly loosing faith in Yoshida. He was great at getting this game running again but he doesn't seem to be too creative. Maybe its time they bring in some new, more creative blood to take a look at things. And if its not him, if it really is someone behind a desk somewhere they has likely never played a real game, maybe that person should realize they could make more money if they let creatives do the creating and just stick to their paperwork.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Meanwhile a single NM at 24 gets me 50-60% of a level bar.

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The scaling is pretty steep. 35 requires 6.2 mil.

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Originally Posted by InkstainedGwyn

In fact, I'd definitely be wary; this feels a lot more like "You guys complain about Anemos, but let us show you just how bad it can be, now take what we gave you and stop asking for improvements." And while that falls into another "conspiracy theory" and I'm not going to buy wholly into it, businesses very much think that way. I've been in business meetings where such things are discussed. "If we withhold x, y, and z features on release, which are already created and which we know our clients want, we can announce them after a few weeks so that it looks like we've taken their feedback into consideration without having to add more to the program." "I added [terrible thing] to the design, so that when the client asks for it to be removed they can feel like they've made input into the design without actually messing with anything."

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While it's not impossible for a business to think this way, they'd have terrible business sense to intentionally plan this exactly when their main competitor and the largest MMO in the world had just launched a flashy new expansion. It's the worst timing for them imaginable to have a poor reception to their content, even if they did fix it later.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

While it's not impossible for a business to think this way, they'd have terrible business sense to intentionally plan this exactly when their main competitor and the largest MMO in the world had just launched a flashy new expansion. It's the worst timing for them imaginable to have a poor reception to their content, even if they did fix it later.

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To be fair, I really don't think it was their reasoning, although I have seen it in other businesses. But it's still a reason I don't want to just forget how Anemos and Pagos are still terrible in the relief of "they're finally doing something."

And also, to be fair, SE has shown before that they don't care about a lot of Western stuff, and it wouldn't surprise me if they're not even thinking about that.

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Originally Posted by Inanna

Pagos is ruined. The NM train is back and it's back to afking and doing nothing most of the time. Going into pagos with a group of 8 to chain demanded teamwork, strategy and commitment. Honestly, if they wanted to fix anything, they could've just made chains give more exp. Turning Pagos into Anemos 2.0 is just dreadful.

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I'll never understand this sentiment.
If there's a better, faster way to get more people to level cap... why not just go with that? Then more people will be able to contribute to X, Y, and Z, and not hold everyone else back.
Sure, it'd be great if they'd implement party level sync so anyone can help everyone without having to rely on the train. Now if only the JP playerbase would get on that same page and raise enough of a stink to get that done...

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Originally Posted by WhyAmIHere

I'll never understand this sentiment.
If there's a better, faster way to get more people to level cap... why not just go with that? Then more people will be able to contribute to X, Y, and Z, and not hold everyone else back.
Sure, it'd be great if they'd implement party level sync so anyone can help everyone without having to rely on the train. Now if only the JP playerbase would get on that same page and raise enough of a stink to get that done...

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Chain is still more efficient. People do the train, because it is less work over a given period of time.

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

Chain is still more efficient. People do the train, because it is less work over a given period of time.

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It's also more fun to do fates. Combat for them is far more interesting and it encourages exploration.

The xp gain in pre-patch Pagos was not a primary issue for me. My main grievance was that chains were the only reliable source of xp and they're insanely dull to do because of the mindless repetition of the task and the lack of exploration.

Fun > xp gain, for me at least.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

It's also more fun to do fates. Combat for them is far more interesting and it encourages exploration.

The xp gain in pre-patch Pagos was not a primary issue for me. My main grievance was that chains were the only reliable source of xp and they're insanely dull to do because of the mindless repetition of the task and the lack of exploration.

Fun > xp gain, for me at least.

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It's not the XP that makes it a superior choice.

Edit: I know you don't agree, but I don't find the trains fun. In Anemos it was me and a few others doing all of the work.