Final Fantasy XIV and a Culture of Enabling

not gonna lie, OP reminds me of the time that Varis goes into the meeting with the Alliance that one time, and after everyone's like, "dude you just admitted to helping the Big Bad Fellas destroy the world", he goes, "w-w-w-w-well limsa lominsa has a kobold ERP problem SO THERE gottem" and then walks out like he won the argument

funny stuff man

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Originally Posted by Tactical

not gonna lie, OP reminds me of the time that Varis goes into the meeting with the Alliance that one time, and after everyone's like, "dude you just admitted to helping the Big Bad Fellas destroy the world", he goes, "w-w-w-w-well limsa lominsa has a kobold ERP problem SO THERE gottem" and then walks out like he won the argument

funny stuff man

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I just "replayed" the cutscene in my head after reading this post and I had to laugh for like 5 minutes.

You made my day with this sir, well done.

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Originally Posted by Tactical

not gonna lie, OP reminds me of the time that Varis goes into the meeting with the Alliance that one time, and after everyone's like, "dude you just admitted to helping the Big Bad Fellas destroy the world", he goes, "w-w-w-w-well limsa lominsa has a kobold ERP problem SO THERE gottem" and then walks out like he won the argument

funny stuff man

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Tbh he did win that argument. Finally called people out on their hypocrisy and double standards lmao.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

I would normally ask if it's on both bosses but at this point I'm just tired of even vaguely entertaining the idea that you're being truthful in your complaints.

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I could show you a recording of me tanking the knave for a minute or so and almost getting deleted by autos while the tank in my alliance has their thumbs up their butt but I'd have to censor all the player names, which would also hide half the screen and that's just the one time I bothered to record and not the several other times it happened, vs red girl too /shrugs
guess I'm just making it up and these things never happen

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Originally Posted by Rinhi

I could show you a recording of me tanking the knave for a minute or so and almost getting deleted by autos while the tank in my alliance has their thumbs up their butt but I'd have to censor all the player names, which would also hide half the screen and that's just the one time I bothered to record and not the several other times it happened, vs red girl too /shrugs
guess I'm just making it up and these things never happen

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There hasn't been any point in which I have said bad players don't exist.

I am, and have been saying all along, that I think OP is greatly exaggerating how many they encounter. They're painting a picture that the average skill in NA is significantly lower than EU. While regions do have differences I don't believe they could be to the point that each may as well be playing a different game.

I don't think EU is some special place where the average skill is much higher than NA, sorry for that I guess?

Honest question, let us just say it is exaggerated why does that even matter?

Does that make what they experience less valid or not a concern?

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Originally Posted by Awha

Honest question, let us just say it is exaggerated why does that even matter?

Does that make what they experience less valid or not a concern?

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Um, exaggerated claims diminish concerns last I checked, in just about everything.

If you want people to take people like OP seriously in a public forum, they should try less blanket statements, less "woe is me", a dash of realistic expectations on what SE would actually do, actually start using the suggested tools ingame to curate his experience, then come back with a semblance of a metric other than "all my runs" and "half the playerbase" as his argument.

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

Um, exaggerated claims diminish concerns last I checked, in just about everything.

If you want people to take people like OP seriously in a public forum, they should try less blanket statements, less "woe is me", a dash of realistic expectations on what SE would actually do, actually start using the suggested tools ingame to curate his experience, then come back with a semblance of a metric other than "all my runs" and "half the playerbase" as his argument.

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Wait but I thought people were all about giving someone the benefit of the doubt especially over issues over personal experience which can often not be proven to be false in such contexts though.

Granted, exaggerated claims over ones personal experience differ from ones that ones that can and cannot be substantiated. If they can be substantiated then yes normally the claim is diminished, but in cases were we cannot prove otherwise since it is a personal experience often times isn't it wrong to undermine their experience?

What I am say sure it what may not be common to some and an exaggeration. Though to the person in question this could be their truth and reality. We validate other truths and realities despite the evidence that goes contrary to what they experience. Sure they are over more hot topic issues but the core concept still stands.

On mobile cannot edit, though I will be honest SE will never do anything and I will always be in that camp and I do think people who have issues like the OP should make use of the tools we have such as vote removal and queuing with friends. The skill floor in this game will not be raised it is not in SE's best interest to do so.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Wait but I thought people were all about giving someone the benefit of the doubt especially over issues over personal experience which can often not be proven to be false in such contexts though.

Granted, exaggerated claims over ones personal experience differ from ones that ones that can and cannot be substantiated. If they can be substantiated then yes normally the claim is diminished, but in cases were we cannot prove otherwise since it is a personal experience often times isn't it wrong to undermine their experience?

What I am say sure it what may not be common to some and an exaggeration. Though to the person in question this could be their truth and reality. We validate other truths and realities despite the evidence that goes contrary to what they experience. Sure they are over more hot topic issues but the core concept still stands.

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Remember the main reason OP is feeling this way isn't because intrinsically that there are people who play, for simpler terms, bad. It's the amount of people he has encountered that has led him to believe half the playerbase plays bad. If we take that as face value, then that half becomes a real number. But the real number is based off an exaggeration. That's why the concern becomes diminished. Not over his frustration. Even myself, I can understand encountering bad DF sessions and expressing frustration. I won't undermine that and you'll find most empathizing with frustrations. That's why we have a Tales of DF thread. It's concern over this claimed quantity and it's giving the impression to a lot of people in this thread is that it's being blown to proportions, thus casting also a diminished concern over OP's experience as well.

I mean put it this way, if that number was much smaller in his case and by much, let's pretend that only 5-10% of the playerbase played "bad" in his encounters, do you think he'd have this thread up?