Regarding the Revision of the Prohibited Activities and Account Penalty Policy

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Originally Posted by Thatusernameistaken

Someone didn't read the part of the rules that state we can still get punished even if we didn't intend to break the rules.

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Isn't that no different than saying "Ignorance of the law is not a defense"? In essence, "I didn't know what I was doing" won't fly.

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we have been noticing an increase in issues involving social media, video sites, and live stream channels

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This is SE going PC?
I have nothing to do with none of that do not put me in a same lane as everyone else who may or may not play this game.

I play the game to escape that type of stuff and for SE to do this is outright wrong, you aren't going to tell me how I am going to be everyone is supposed to be different not the same.

The game is built on meeting people experiencing adventures with each other, you ruined that, cause from this point forward I am not posting, cause 4 strikes you are out and people can dig through history and get you banned for anything they don't like.

People who justify this good luck to you, cause eventually you to will make someone angry and don't think for a second you will be safe it only takes 1 little thing to get you in trouble one word anything.

I almost don't want to get the expansion but I now have made a decision to stop posting on forums also to stop talking to people in game in order to avoid being banned cause like you said SE this generation is different and get upset about anything and everything. i'll check expansion but I notice people vanish I'll un sub until the rules have changed from being PC.

I don't do anything wrong but its better to be safe than sorry.

So good bye forums and time to become a hermit in the game.

by the way.

People can get offended the way you dress, people who stand to close to you when you are doing the same quest line think you are stalking its happened before, for those with low free company count be careful you just might be targeted for your house think about it if someone wants to join but you don't want to you are restricting their gameplay.

Rpers you should be worried about doing it in say, ive seen it im limsa few times rping in general even in LS someone doesn't like it, oh marriage gone bad probably wouldn't bother with getting married now just to be safe. start really thinking about stuff fair warning cause people do go to extremes without people knowing just to get you without you even knowing peace out people.

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Originally Posted by zztoluca

Lol tried out the new system. GM's are still unable to take action with the new revisions, what a joke.

"RMT good, vulgar words bad" You would think misuse of party finder to advertise RMT would be open and shut case right? Nope.

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Eh give it a week or so, given SE's corporate size and structure, each one of em is bound to get a dose of training before full implementation. This shit is like a warning shot and hopefully a gauging reaction on their end. Which if it is, bravo SE. Ya dun goofed and shown incompetence on a level that would make Enron blush.

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Originally Posted by Anger

Isn't that no different than saying "Ignorance of the law is not a defense"? In essence, "I didn't know what I was doing" won't fly.

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No, it is not the same thing, because the way these new rules are written it is impossible to know in advance if a particular action will break the rules.

For example, one of the things that are prohibited are "Other expressions that are offensive to another person". One cannot know in advance what another person will find offensive and be hurt by.
Oh, and it doesn't matter that you had no idea that whatever it was could possibly be seen as offensive because: "Even if it was not the intention, a penalty may be imposed if the end result was that another person was hurt or obstructed."

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

This is SE going PC?
I have nothing to do with none of that do not put me in a same lane as everyone else who may or may not play this game.

I play the game to escape that type of stuff and for SE to do this is outright wrong, you aren't going to tell me how I am going to be everyone is supposed to be different not the same.

The game is built on meeting people experiencing adventures with each other, you ruined that, cause from this point forward I am not posting, cause 4 strikes you are out and people can dig through history and get you banned for anything they don't like.

People who justify this good luck to you, cause eventually you to will make someone angry and don't think for a second you will be safe it only takes 1 little thing to get you in trouble one word anything.

I almost don't want to get the expansion but I now have made a decision to stop posting on forums also to stop talking to people in game in order to avoid being banned cause like you said SE this generation is different and get upset about anything and everything. i'll check expansion but I notice people vanish I'll un sub until the rules have changed from being PC.

I don't do anything wrong but its better to be safe than sorry.

So good bye forums and time to become a hermit in the game.

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I talk to people in the forums and the game all the time.

I've never been banned.

I've never even been warned.

I don't understand what your fear is. Using common sense and basic courtesy when interacting with others prevents problems.

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Originally Posted by Thatusernameistaken

But the whole point many of us are making in here is that you have no way of knowing if someone else is in actual emotional stress in a video game. You also have no way of knowing what will cause a specific person emotional stress if you've never played with them before. So how on earth are we supposed to know how to conduct ourselves aside from saying absolutely nothing (which someone could feasibly interpret as offensive as well). These rules theoretically leave absolutely no safe choice of conduct, since literally anything could be taken as offensive by someone. So all these rules do is completely throw out any sense of a code of conduct because there are no strict definitions given.

And don't get me wrong, I understand and completely acknowledge that very few people are going to be wrongfully punished by this system and the vast majority of players won't be affected at all by this. But it's the fact that it's even theoretically possible that people are worried about.

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If you have to ask what kind of emotional stress, you're not causing it. They're not talking about minor annoyances. They don't care that someone disagreed with someone else. They're talking about actual harassment, stalking, dehumanizing, abuse, etc. The play style section is referring to things like beating people over the head with self-imposed hunt rules expecting everyone else to follow them. The entire FATE fiasco with Dark Devices. These rules are built off things that occurred.

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Originally Posted by Anger

If the government changes its laws we simply abide by them. Why? Because we aren't intending to break the rules.

Just be your nice self and nothing has changed. The new rules are pretty basic.

"Don't insult people, don't stalk people, don't be toxic"

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Lol this doesn't just punish ppl who insult,stalk or rude aka toxic ppl

Regardless 2 your example if the government creates a unreasonable law you fight it till your last breath or you win..

Literally the way the rules are worded you can say "muffins suck" and get banned and yes a gm will ban you over that if a person says it hurt their feelings

The rules are worded so the majority if they don't like a person for what ever reason be it them being dark different view point that they can get that person banned over nothing

The changes are fine, covering areas that should be covered and covering areas that need to be covered. :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by MorbolvampireQueen6

Literally the way the rules are worded you can say "muffins suck" and get banned and yes a gm will ban you over that if a person says it hurt their feelings

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Let's put that theory to the test, shall we?

Ahem.

Muffins suck. Change my mind.

So does pineapple pizza. I hate that too. It's wrong. :cool:

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Originally Posted by MorbolvampireQueen6

Lol this doesn't just punish ppl who insult,stalk or rude aka toxic ppl

Regardless 2 your example if the government creates a unreasonable law you fight it till your last breath or you win..

Literally the way the rules are worded you can say "muffins suck" and get banned and yes a gm will ban you over that if a person says it hurt their feelings

The rules are worded so the majority if they don't like a person for what ever reason be it them being dark different view point that they can get that person banned over nothing

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They don't even have to say it hurt their feelings, just that it's at odds with the opinions they hold. The rules explicitly state that rejecting someone's opinion(hating muffins is mutually exclusive with liking them) is grounds for punishment.