New Jobs Gated Behind Completion of 2.0 Story?

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Originally Posted by Voltyblast

Correction: this is an "MMO"RPG, Massively Multiplayer Online, and story should never be the main focus of these kind of games:

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There are many, many other options for MMOs that aren't based around the story. FFXIV fills a niche by being heavily storycentric and not just pointless, mindless grinding for no other reason than "teh Shiniez", as which I said, there are many others that fill that style.

All Final Fantasy games are heavy story based, why sould you expect it to change with 14? Play it for it is, a storycentric MMORPG not try and approach it as every other MMO out there.

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

But, they kinda do.

Again, Sharlayan is on the other side of Dravania. If that's where we're getting AST training, well, that's gonna require going through Ishgard. Even if they've made the trek through Dravania to Ishgard, we know that proper astrology uses telescopes and such. They could use the Observatorium, but we've already been told that the astrologians there aren't the combat type. You also want your astrologians to be defended, and Ishgard's as defended as you're going to get.

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SPOILER ALERT!

Sharlayan is destroyed and is likely the zone called "The Churning Mist". However Astrologians are known to be located in Central Coerthas so they could easily be the trainers.

Just sitting here at work, and I had a really nasty thought:

What if to be a Machinist, you have to have a level 50 DPS character?

Or for Dark Knight, you have to have played a tank to 50?

Or for Astrologian, you had to be a healer for 50 levels?

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Originally Posted by Kikoten

Just sitting here at work, and I had a really nasty thought:

What if to be a Machinist, you have to have a level 50 DPS character?

Or for Dark Knight, you have to have played a tank to 50?

Or for Astrologian, you had to be a healer for 50 levels?

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Covered, thank god.... >.> <.< Made sure to have a 50 healer, tank, rdps, and mdps just for FC use ^^

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Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK

SPOILER ALERT!

Sharlayan is destroyed and is likely the zone called "The Churning Mist". However Astrologians are known to be located in Central Coerthas so they could easily be the trainers.

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Just to clarify this lil' point, Sharlayan is definitely not destroyed at all. According to the story the "Isle of Val" is what got completely "removed" from existence. The actual homeland of Sharlayan exists north of the continent of Aldenard. The Isle of Val is a colony of scholars and such from Sharlayan founded by them.

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Originally Posted by Yamimarik

Just to clarify this lil' point, Sharlayan is definitely not destroyed at all. According to the story the "Isle of Val" is what got completely "removed" from existence. The actual homeland of Sharlayan exists north of the continent of Aldenard. The Isle of Val is a colony of scholars and such from Sharlayan founded by them.

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Yes Val was completely removed from existence, however Yamimarik, just like Riverne Sites A and B were the results of the destruction/loss of Tavnazia with the Lightbringer sword, I have a feeling something of the same effect is happening in Sharlayan/Val area. I doubt we will be able to go there, and if we do it will be in a ruinous state as Minfilia-iirc-said that she was unable to get contact from anyone in that area, and Urianger confirms Sharlayan's silence. Not to mention there was a spoilery dungeon reveal with a massive library of sorts filled with monsters. Doubt that (obviously Sharlayan library) filled with monsters and a Demon Book is inhabited by local scholars...

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Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK

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SE has stated that the Astrologian (job) is different from the Astrologian (trade) in Coerthas, in fact the Japanese version has two different names for each; it just so happens that those words are both translated as "Astrologian" in English, so there's confusion.

HOWEVER, it's not that difficult to implement an AST NPC at the Observatorium all the same.

Astrologian Job NPC: "I came here in the hope to share my knowledge with these other students of divination, but it seems no one of them is interested in my methods! Egads, don't they know reading books and watching stars alone will not save them from the Dravanian Horde? What says you, adventurer? How about you become my pupil and show these fools what a real Astrologian can do to help the wheels of fate turn in one ally's favor?"

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

Again, Sharlayan is on the other side of Dravania. If that's where we're getting AST training, well, that's gonna require going through Ishgard. Even if they've made the trek through Dravania to Ishgard, we know that proper astrology uses telescopes and such. They could use the Observatorium, but we've already been told that the astrologians there aren't the combat type. You also want your astrologians to be defended, and Ishgard's as defended as you're going to get.

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The Astrologian job is not the same as the Ishgardian Astrologians referenced previously. The Astrologian is Sharlayan, foreign. You know Ishgards stance on foreigners as well as I do.

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

I've already touched on DRK. Their entire thing is hunting down Ishgardian elites who would otherwise be above the law. Even if their operations sometimes range outside of the city proper (which I'm sure they will), the only place that makes sense for their headquarters is within the city. Sure, maybe not on the palace steps, but it's going to be within the city.

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Oh I see, you're getting an Inquisition or police force vibe. I'm thinking more vigilante or robin hood type thing. One of them could be based inside the city, one of them definitely would not.

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

MCH as a job is directly growing out of how the Ishgardians are using machinery in the Dragonsong War. Everyone who has gotten any experience as a MCH lives in Ishgard. It's the youngest of the jobs we have, and I'd argue that there hasn't been much time for people familiar with it to set up shop outside the city.

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Everyone with MCH experience lives in Ishgard? That seems a bit of a stretch, we know Ishgardians live outside of Ishgard, they have other towns and settlements. Not only that but the job is inspired by Cid, who it definitely not Ishgardian. If the job is inspired by recent breakthroughs in magitek it would imply those breakthroughs are experimental. Having that inside the city seems a bit like putting an experimental weapons lab run by a foreigner in the middle of more xenophobic new york.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

Everyone with MCH experience lives in Ishgard? That seems a bit of a stretch, we know Ishgardians live outside of Ishgard, they have other towns and settlements. Not only that but the job is inspired by Cid, who it definitely not Ishgardian. If the job is inspired by recent breakthroughs in magitek it would imply those breakthroughs are experimental. Having that inside the city seems a bit like putting an experimental weapons lab run by a foreigner in the middle of more xenophobic new york.

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exept it was said while the ixali quest that ishgard was recently gathering a loot of stuff link to the airship, they are probably getting ready to launch attack with Airship, that recquire machinist for be create and manned.

Cid is more an engineer or a researcher.... he is not a machinist. the machinist will be using technologie for fight, do you have seen Cid fight? even when they say that they will fight we never see him get a gun.

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

exept it was said while the ixali quest that ishgard was recently gathering a loot of stuff link to the airship, they are probably getting ready to launch attack with Airship, that recquire machinist for be create and manned.

Cid is more an engineer or a researcher.... he is not a machinist. the machinist will be using technologie for fight, do you have seen Cid fight? even when they say that they will fight we never see him get a gun.

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Just reread the description of Machinist. You're right, it's inspired by Cid not run by him. It is still pretty clearly from an advanced weapons lab, people don't tend to put those in the middle of populated areas.