Monks very weak. Need rebalance

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Originally Posted by Rhained

Did this guy just base damage on aggro bar?

You realise the majority of the other classes have access to -enmity skill right? If you aint 2nd to tank or 3rd to two tanks you are absolutely terrible. Either way it dosnt accurately measure dps against party members.

Not that im saying monk is weak or too strong, i havnt put enough effort to actually calculate it, it seems like its around the same damage as a ...

You can argue monk suffers harder from boss mechanics than most classes, it all depends on if it balances up at the end.

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Yeah I agree. Boss mechanics is big problem. These MNK never seen the strength of other job. reason is simple.
1. Most group only invite a melee and they hard to see DRG performance.
2. MNK is easy to gear up. You have better gear than others
3. Some job assigned other task, such ballad, silence, aoe on adds.

After 2.05, WP SR is most people do after coil. MNK is some kind shame on that run.
Blm/bard/DRG are shining. As a PAL, I normally only invite that 3 jobs. Don't cry MNKs who believe they were king of DPS. Why nobody need you when your DPS is so awesome?

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Originally Posted by neoreturn

Just let you all know DRG can do 350 DPS on dummy with 5 min result. If you want to claim king of single DPS.
You need be top1 for burst, short and long term fight. Obviously MNK isn't. Go give a Try to beat full i90 gear DRG in Gardua HM. you can do it few time easily and parser the result if don't believe DRG DPS is very close to MNK.somehow Good DRG is hard to see.

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I'd love to see that parse. Until then, you are just noise.

Show me a detailed parse like I have with a DRG doing more than 330 DPS on a training dummy, and then maybe I'll bother to do another parse on my MNK and this time actually use Impulse Drive and Fracture.

DRG has a significantly lower DPS ceiling than MNK. Training dummies are used to test said ceilings. Thus, you will not be able to supply me with an accurate LogRep parse of a DRG performing 350 DPS on a training dummy like you claim.

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Originally Posted by neoreturn

Yeah I agree. Boss mechanics is big problem. These MNK never seen the strength of other job. reason is simple.
1. Most group only invite a melee and they hard to see DRG performance.
2. MNK is easy to gear up. You have better gear than others
3. Some job assigned other task, such ballad, silence, aoe on adds.

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1. Not sure what you're even trying to say here? Most groups invite melee and therefore it is hard for them to see a DRG's performance? What? Elaborate. Make sense. Try again.
2. MNK is easier to gear up? What? lol... what are you talking about man? I farmed philosophy for darklight, farmed myth for relic+1/melee gear and did coil for allagan drops like everyone else. We have better gear than others? What?
3. Don't insult my intelligence by suggesting I am basing my claims off of observational data from content where other jobs had specific tasks to do that hindered their DPS.

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Originally Posted by neoreturn

After 2.05, WP SR is most people do after coil. MNK is some kind shame on that run.
Blm/bard/DRG are shining. As a PAL, I normally only invite that 3 jobs. Don't cry MNKs who believe they were king of DPS. Why nobody need you when your DPS is so awesome?

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WP speedruns are AoE heavy. BLM and BRD work better for the speedrun AoE burn for WP. I switch to my BLM/BRD when going in to WP. The mention of WP is completely irrelevant to the discussion about top single target DPS.

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All this time I've been going back and forth with:

Neo Anderson (Sargatanas)
GLA 50 - PGL 50 - MRD 26 - LNC 34 - ARC 0 - CNJ 15 - THM 0 - ACN 0
Lodestone currently shows PLD gear with iLv80 Curtana and Holy Shield. Highest ilvl otherwise 70, with mostly ilvl60 pieces.

Yup, you seem reasonably well equipped and experienced to be having these discussions. Sure hope your MNK is better geared at least, though it seems like you play PLD more from what I can tell from your posts.

Yeah... until you present some data to backup your claims, we're basically done here Mr. Anderson.

Our single target DPS is top tier.
When we do WP speed runs I go BLM, since we suck with clearing trash mobs.
I'm actually happy with Monk and have yet to see anyone outparse me.

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Originally Posted by Rhained

Did this guy just base damage on aggro bar?

You realise the majority of the other classes have access to -enmity skill right? If you aint 2nd to tank or 3rd to two tanks you are absolutely terrible. Either way it dosnt accurately measure dps against party members.

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I do it myself and I am aware they have -enmity skills. It's about how you set it up. If you agree to not use -enmity skills, you can use the aggro bar to gauge who deals the most damage. And let's be honest, in most cases, you don't even NEED to use -enmity skills if your tank is decent. About the only exception could be WHM.

Noctis, gear boy, if you didn't notice my MNK gear, you at least could know my MNK max Dmg is over 750. The result came with no food no potion. Almost Everyday I got people ask how to play MNK on my server. I haven't seen any MNK beat me in Gardua DPS race game yet.lol

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Originally Posted by neoreturn

Noctis, gear boy, if you didn't notice my MNK gear, you at least could know my MNK max Dmg is over 750.

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Wow ! You must be very good. lol

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Originally Posted by neoreturn

Noctis, gear boy, if you didn't notice my MNK gear, you at least could know my MNK max Dmg is over 750. The result came with no food no potion. Almost Everyday I got people ask how to play MNK on my server. I haven't seen any MNK beat me in Gardua DPS race game yet.lol

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Funny, i've never heard of you! Mr. best MNK Sargatanas!

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Originally Posted by neoreturn

Noctis, gear boy, if you didn't notice my MNK gear, you at least could know my MNK max Dmg is over 750. The result came with no food no potion. Almost Everyday I got people ask how to play MNK on my server. I haven't seen any MNK beat me in Gardua DPS race game yet.lol

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I would expect nothing less from "The One".

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Originally Posted by neoreturn

Noctis, gear boy, if you didn't notice my MNK gear, you at least could know my MNK max Dmg is over 750. The result came with no food no potion. Almost Everyday I got people ask how to play MNK on my server. I haven't seen any MNK beat me in Gardua DPS race game yet.lol

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I love the amount of BS being shouted from this clown. I have almost all ilvl90 gear just missing a few more peices and I can tell you right now without a buff of some sort you are not hitting over 750dmg without food or pot. I can hit between 700-725 on a really good snap punch crit in my gear so either you have all determination and no accuracy or crit. Or your just plain full of crap. The only way you are hitting over 750 crits is if you are geared for raw dmg and if you are then good luck hitting anything in coil. And even then you would need food buff and pot's to reliably hit that much.