Character graphical changes are NOT in an acceptable state, please make it optional

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Originally Posted by LlymlaenGreene

I absolutely agree, it always is, but you also take into account that most of the players did not launch benchmark at all and they do not sit on forums and so on and just play and enjoy
Now imagine how surprised they will be at the start * if everything stays as it is now* when they enter the game and see the new characters? someone will like it, someone will not, and again there will be the same topics. And someone will have to sit in line just to find out that they have a new character now, and they will have to do relogin to use the fanta, then relogin to undress * I do not know in what order, but I have heard that it is tedious to do this several times.
And then they'll be disappointed, because with the courtesy of fanta, they still won't get who they've been playing with for so many years.

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Perfectly plausible, yes. There will be some who will have skipped the benchmark or have commitments in their day-to-day lives which has meant they may be a little out of the loop as to the changes in-game. And yes, while some of these currently unaware players will have a pleasant surprise when they log in and be very happy with the changes, it is inevitable that there will be some who will log in and be less pleased with what changes they see. But the situation remains the same as what we are in currently, with some liking the changes and others not. Forgive me, but I don't quite see what this adds to the discussion?

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Originally Posted by Scintilla

Perfectly plausible, yes. There will be some who will have skipped the benchmark or have commitments in their day-to-day lives which has meant they may be a little out of the loop as to the changes in-game. And yes, while some of these currently unaware players will have a pleasant surprise when they log in and be very happy with the changes, it is inevitable that there will be some who will log in and be less pleased with what changes they see. But the situation remains the same as what we are in currently, with some liking the changes and others not. Forgive me, but I don't quite see what this adds to the discussion?

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That person tried to show a picture of herself emoting and a still picture than called it different and ugly. She has nothing to add truthfully,just yapping.

I'd like to invite everyone to have a laugh at this. I think I'm slowly making peace with the changes? is this what stages of grief is? I really miss my mouth gap, my nose bump and my simple eyelashes. I feel like compared to my aura, my miqo lucked out but I can now look at my aura and think 'Damn it my poor baby looks like she's about to murder your entire family' and I find that strangely funny.

I'm not posting this to invalidate others, I too am sad that some changes happened but at this point posts in the EN forum isn't exactly instilling alot of confidence in me and I'm more concerned about my favorite characters. [This is taken at Gamma 50]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...e74297201fcbc&

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Originally Posted by Rueby

I'd like to invite everyone to have a laugh at this. I think I'm slowly making peace with the changes? is this what stages of grief is? I really miss my mouth gap, my nose bump and my simple eyelashes. I feel like compared to my aura, my miqo lucked out but I can now look at my aura and think 'Damn it my poor baby looks like she's about to murder your entire family' and I find that strangely funny.

I'm not posting this to invalidate others, I too am sad that some changes happened but at this point posts in the EN forum isn't exactly instilling alot of confidence in me and I'm more concerned about my favorite characters. [This is taken at Gamma 50]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...e74297201fcbc&

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I do honestly hope you grow to like your character's new look even if it isn't exactly what you wanted at first. Nobody should have to play a character they're not happy about.

I'm Japanese and I'm using a translation tool to post this, so I apologize for the unnatural language.

https://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...35a2c93f71.png



▼ Face lines appear blurred.
https://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...8c16294308.jpghttps://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...29b2e26e09.jpg
The first thing I thought was the shade of the contour around the chin.
I thought that the three-dimensional effect of the shadows was not well expressed here, so there was no sense of definition. This may also be true for other species.


▼ Nose shadow is too dark.
https://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...5c51957dc9.pnghttps://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...e54ea8ba91.png
This could be thinned a bit to lessen the stage makeup look.


▼ Strong shadow expression of grooves and depressions extending diagonally from the bottom of the eye socket to the cheeks.
https://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...ac5bae5454.jpghttps://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...9788315465.jpg
It's similar to the nose shadow I mentioned above, but I think the Golgo 13-like lines are overemphasized.


▼ Eyelines are too thick (especially the bottom)
https://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...5533a93e3c.jpg
On the right are the eyes of 1 Face for comparison.
Face 5 originally had the expression of the surrounding eyeliner. However, I think the brownish color that was drawn was changed to a blackish color. Colors that blend well with the skin, such as red and orange, look natural.
I think the shadow of the expression of eyelid thickness and the color of the black-based eyeliner have combined to make it look like the enclosing makeup that made the entire eye area black a long time ago.


▼ Eyelid Expression
https://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...48e7c13ffe.jpghttps://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...f10ecd8701.jpg
The double lines that were drawn appear to be gone. There is also not much blurring of the eyehall.
I think this is the cause of the unnatural and nondescript look when the eyes are closed.


▼ Proposals based on the above
https://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...9e10fc69b7.jpg
It is not a perfect ideal form, but we have provided an additional image for reference.


I would love to have a false eyelight that doesn't disappear even with bangs, a lip gloss that is a shade, a skin expression that doesn't look like freckles, and a sexy mole that doesn't look like a sticker...

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Originally Posted by LlymlaenGreene

I'm sorry, but this is nothing but hypocrisy! That is, when you don't like something *in this case, WAR*, you run straight to the forum, with your hair flowing in the wind, that you don't like, that WAR is imposed on you, and write whole walls of text, and consider it normal. But when someone doesn't like that developers change our characters, you create silly funny memes and write in a sarcastic way. Keep it up!
our criticism is no different from yours, so why do you write such messages then?

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I've got my own fan looking into my post history now, and all the quotes too, I'm flattered :o

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Originally Posted by Oizen

I've got my own fan looking into my post history now, and all the quotes too, I'm flattered :o

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digging thru someone's post history aside, it's not a good argument considering how criticism of things like job balancing and game balancing at large has been historically received here. I don't wanna derail into any rambling about pitting different groups against each other or that it's tit for tat but flippancy to anyone's problems isn't a good approach [i'm guilty of doing it too!] and this kind of pushback to criticism always happensbut it's interesting to see it playing out in a very similar fashion now the shoe is on the other foot.

Not pointing anyone but it's ok to dislike or be frustrated at the change (it's happening btw, but the update isnt final) but if you're mourning, panicking, crying out loud and it's ruining your life, you need help

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Originally Posted by LlymlaenGreene

I'm sorry, but this is nothing but hypocrisy! That is, when you don't like something *in this case, WAR*, you run straight to the forum, with your hair flowing in the wind, that you don't like, that WAR is imposed on you, and write whole walls of text, and consider it normal. But when someone doesn't like that developers change our characters, you create silly funny memes and write in a sarcastic way. Keep it up!
our criticism is no different from yours, so why do you write such messages then?

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As shown here, forum is the place people usually come when they wish to share a grievance or highlight an issue which they feel exists within the system. Again, just like here, there are often people who are of the opposite opinion or who may not quite agree with the points raised, and who also wish to share their views. It's all part of a regular discussion. As long as the discussion remains respectful and polite, there's no issue with it

I honestly wonder when will people stop engaging with others who approach them in bad faith. The whole back and forth waters down this thread, it's almost sad to see someone from the JP side coming to post here not knowing the dumpster fire that is this thread. It's really embarrassing to see.

It's really obvious because only inflammatory posts rise to the top while feedback gets buried.

Someone who approaches you and tells you 'it's the same character' is right and wrong, it's a pointless statement that provides nothing but a bait for an argument. This person isn't interested in hearing you out, they already made their mind up. Then you have dismissive statements that strive to invalidate and minimize without actually trying to create a healthy respectful discussion.