Petition for more wards / instanced housing

Best housing I've seen so far is in Rift. I just love the Dimensions there and what you can do with 'em.

there is no reason a company as big as this shouldn't have instance housing. Everquest 2 a game that was made in 2004 had instanced housing at the beginning and added instanced guild halls later.

it takes nothing away from the game and the only people that would be upset by instance housing are those that like the exclusivity that comes with having a house.

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Originally Posted by Vulcann

there is no reason a company as big as this shouldn't have instance housing. Everquest 2 a game that was made in 2004 had instanced housing at the beginning and added instanced guild halls later.

it takes nothing away from the game and the only people that would be upset by instance housing are those that like the exclusivity that comes with having a house.

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Aren't FFXIV's housing wards technically instances, just permanent ones?

Aren't all FFXIV housing INTERIORS instanced?

If so, there's your answer - FFXIV in 2019 has instanced exteriors (wards) and instanced interiors. EQ2 only has instanced interiors. (Disclaimer, I played EQ2 way back then, but not long enough to afford anything besides the initial "inn room"; apartment, if you will)

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Originally Posted by Mightion

Aren't FFXIV's housing wards technically instances, just permanent ones?

Aren't all FFXIV housing INTERIORS instanced?

If so, there's your answer - FFXIV in 2019 has instanced exteriors (wards) and instanced interiors. EQ2 only has instanced interiors. (Disclaimer, I played EQ2 way back then, but not long enough to afford anything besides the initial "inn room"; apartment, if you will)

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Instances are loaded on player entry and close when all players who had been in the instance exit it (or get booted by the timer).

Wards are not instanced. They are always active regardless of whether any players are present just like the open world zones (assuming the servers aren't down for maintenance).

Interiors of houses are instanced, though, just as apartments and FC rooms are. But because the house interiors are tied to specific plots in the non-instanced wards, it's effectively a non-instanced system. If they were entirely instanced, we wouldn't need the limitation on number of houses per world we currently have.

I started this week and I thought that the game offered housing, which I have always loved, it was what kept me in EQ2 for so long tbh. I was very dissapointed to find out the sad state of affairs here though. There literally is no excuse... In a game that uses instanced neighbourhoods, there should be no limit to availability past SE's willingness to invest in this part of the game.

They clearly just don't think that housing is a deal breaker for some, or at least not enough to spend money on it.

My thought though is when it comes to this every person paying the same sub should be able to access the same service.

So, yes, signed. Housing being available will be the difference in me staying past my first month. If it isn't available because SE simply choose to not make it available, and yet still want to charge me the same sub, then I will take my money and time elsewhere. I won't lie, it kinda burned me to be taken to the housing via a questline and then find out I can't access it... Talk about rubbing a newbie's nose in it. It wasn't a brilliant early impression.

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Originally Posted by Vesavius

I started this week and I thought that the game offered housing, which I have always loved, it was what kept me in EQ2 for so long tbh. I was very dissapointed to find out the sad state of affairs here though. There literally is no excuse... In a game that uses instanced neighbourhoods, there should be no limit to availability past SE's willingness to invest in this part of the game.

They clearly just don't think that housing is a deal breaker for some, or at least not enough to spend money on it.

My thought though is when it comes to this every person paying the same sub should be able to access the same service.

So, yes, signed. Housing being available will be the difference in me staying past my first month. If it isn't available because SE simply choose to not make it available, and yet still want to charge me the same sub, then I will take my money and time elsewhere. I won't lie, it kinda burned me to be taken to the housing via a questline and then find out I can't access it... Talk about rubbing a newbie's nose in it. It wasn't a brilliant early impression.

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Housing is available to you once you reach the purchase requirements (level 50, rank of Second Lieutenant with your Grand Company). Apartments are available on every world, though you may have to cruise through a few wards before finding one on the congested worlds. You may have to wait for a house to become available on NA worlds if you'd rather have a house than an apartment. Some EU and many JP worlds have multiple houses available right now if you're willing to transfer.

If you're not enjoying the rest of the game enough to stick around without a house, owning a house isn't going to change things. You might as well look for a new game now.

This petition was started 2 yrs ago. They really paid attention...lol

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Originally Posted by Besame

This petition was started 2 yrs ago. They really paid attention...lol

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Well, the fact that people feel strongly enough to keep it going all that time and the devs haven't heard that makes me feel a bit queasy as a new customer, I must admit.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Some EU and many JP worlds have multiple houses available right now if you're willing to transfer.

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Oh, is that free?

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

If you're not enjoying the rest of the game enough to stick around without a house, owning a house isn't going to change things. You might as well look for a new game now.

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Let me guess, you have a minimum of two houses.

Imagine running block for a corperation like this against fellow customers that have a reasonable and legitimate issue.

It isn't your place or right to dictate to me how important having access to a house in this game is. But, yep, I may well look for a new game. Archeage is starting a new business model version with no P2W and guaranteed housing for all, I will probably go there. What a shame though that people who probably claim to love this game would rather see new players leave than fix this.

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Originally Posted by Vesavius

Well, the fact that people feel strongly enough to keep it going all that time and the devs haven't heard that makes me feel a bit queasy as a new customer, I must admit.

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But they did listen. This was started in Oct 2017. SE increased the number of wards from 12 to 18 in January 2018.

It did temporarily solve the problem on most worlds. Until November of last year, there were a relatively small number of worlds that didn't have plots freely available. But it ended up a temporary as the player base swelled faster than SE expected with the positive response to the Shadowbringers previews and decline in other MMOs getting new players to try the game.

The developers have already told us several times that adding new wards is problematic because of the way the system works. Right now, NA is the only region lacking available plots. There are worlds on the EU and JP data centers that do have plots available. SE has to expand wards on all world equally with the way they're programmed so adding more to help NA would leave mostly empty wards in the other regions.

They are encouraging players to make use of apartments, which are housing regardless of the narrow definition some players want to use. They have told us they're looking into making alts automatically tenants of house owned by another character on the same account and same world. They've been discussing adding in new size options for apartments. But the x.1 patch seems to be when they have the biggest news for housing so here's to hoping we get some positive news for this one.