Feedback Regarding the Relic Upgrade Quest

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Originally Posted by Fumijj_Gah

You misunderstood me sir., for me FFXI one is still the best system: I really don't want to see relics on everyone hands. Relic could be an elite weapon for elite players.
The world elite (both for skill or extreme/crazy grind) is disappeared in this game, maybe just primals weapons have some points.

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I'm not really misunderstanding much of anything. You said we were lucky because the time it took in FFXI was longer (though you said it in more words), and that the RNG was the same/worse there. Lucky is not a word you use in the way that you did without meaning one system is worse than the other. "You're lucky you guys don't have the superior relic grinding system of FFXI" doesn't make any sense. It only makes sense if you're referring to the relic system of FFXI as inferior to FFXIV's, because that's the only way we'd be lucky we didn't have it.

There is next to no one complaining about grinding in and of itself, and next to no one complaining about time investment (which I pointed out in my last post). People are more than happy to grind, they just want visible progress. We also have very different definitions of elite. Relics are not elite weapons, they are sub par to other end game alternatives, with the relics requiring much more time invested. They also are not for elite players at this point. They are for the players who can tolerate running around extremely low level areas and mashing 1-2 buttons. And I'm sorry, but just because Joe Smith got lucky and got his Atmas within 12 hours and after 12 hours I only have 3 does not make Joe Smith anymore elite than I am.

Next to no one is complaining because it's a grind. They are complaining because one person can get an Atma in 15 minutes and another can spend 24 hours and not see one.

This system offers no reward for skill or dedication (random could reward dedicated or non-dedicated)... so defending it is neither "hard core" nor "casual" it is simply self serving. If you have benefited from good RNG, you might defend... otherwise, you might not. Personally, I see this as a bad design, since it randomly rewards, which encourages neither good game play, nor any other virtuous behavior.

It is merely a slot machine mechanic for a relic. I can not see why a game would offer a relic upgrade from a slot machine. It makes no sense to me. Hard core, or casual, you might as well argue that the game dispense relic upgrades from a casino slot machine.

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Originally Posted by Sunarie

Next to no one is complaining because it's a grind. They are complaining because one person can get an Atma in 15 minutes and another can spend 24 hours and not see one.

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Exactly this for me. For the past 24 hours I've been grinding it out like nobody's business just to get my next atma. At least one person in my FC got their entire weapon in less time than that. Sure I do other things in-game: beastmen quests, new dungeons etc. But I want this weapon and with my horrible luck and current experience grinding for this, I have to put in 10x the time/effort someone else does to get the same thing.

There is no way this atma revolves around "Elite players".
I agree with sleepybee, my friend got 8 in around 7 hours, and me, only 3.

Have the FATE grind remain a part of the quest.

Allow RNG but limit the amount of attainable Atmas to one of ea. per quest.

After completing 1 of every FATE(Except the weird ones like the hive series.) you get the Atma for that region 100%.

Every Atma has 5min-2hr RNG for those that preach by FFXI and RNG, but for those that are more casual in time and, to compensate for the stupid drop rates, at the very most you have to do 1 of every FATE. That's my opinion. It can still take 12hrs to just get the first phase done. It still a time sink for those that will defend the time sink and compare it to 11, but this stuff they have now is just dumb. I don't know what else to call it. Crappy implementation.

Perhaps if they had at least made atmas drop from high level fates it wouldn't be so bad....but you end up being permanently without any skills except the low level ones. So the theory that this has been done to "populate" the lower zones and make new players falsely think that the game is hugely populated, seems about spot on. Personally? I haven't even bothered, I would rather do the Extremes, Leviathan and new dungeons, where at least you can earn Myth/Soldiery and feel you're doing something to better your character.

This whole fate grind and rng thing is just frustrating, demoralising and frankly, boring...and a total waste of time when you could actually be doing something you enjoy...that's what games are for, are they not? to have fun and enjoy?

Here is my feedback for the relic quest.

It feels as if the relic quest is a long grindy alternative to other weapons in the game which if fine casual players who don't want to do the newest coil need something to do to, and the idea of always having an upgradeable weapon seems nice.

The atma drop rate is too low and plagued by RNG. I am 8/12 on atams, 5 of them I have got in a short time less then 30 min each, however there the other 3 I spent, 8, 8, and 10 hours getting. Currently I am on another 10 hour atma. Playing the game and doing fates for 10 hours and walking away with nothing to show for it isn't fun. It just makes for a very frustrating experience.

After atmas the dungeon grinding part collecting 13500 myth tomes and doing books is long but it doesn't seem as bad. Because everything you do is progress toward upgrading the weapon since its not RNG based this seemed like a bunch better system.

With the atma part we see people who say they finished in 12 hours and other people who played 12 hours and not seen 1 drop. The atma drop rate needs to be raised so that people are spending 10+ hour days to get 1 atma, this only frustrates players.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

The atma drop rate is too low and plagued by RNG.... ......With the atma part we see people who say they finished in 12 hours and other people who played 12 hours and not seen 1 drop. The atma drop rate needs to be raised so that people are spending 10+ hour days to get 1 atma, this only frustrates players.

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I agree 100% the drop rate is to low and needs to be increased ASAP!

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Originally Posted by snowybell

There is no way this atma revolves around "Elite players".

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with the Atma fate grinding now people can call themself elite/lucky instead of elite/skilled.let them bask in their moment,i am waiting the moment when they can't go furhter then t4 even dressed full IL90 gear

Love the grind, hate the FATE system/Instance spam with a passion.