It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

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Originally Posted by Ryskim

I strongly approve of this feature when a character is wearing said glamours. Note: this would only apply to partial nudity glamours that would not make any sense in a Final Fantasy game context.

So yes, I approve.

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Rydia, Rosa Farrell, Terra Branford (morphed), Celes Chere, Rikku, about 75% of the FF X-2 dresspheres, Fran, Vaan, Shiva in literally any of them

Kupo, Lulu owned face in FFX and she did so while still maintaining amazing assets kupo <3 noimsayin

...yeah I would chill with Lulu kupo <3

Seems to me that the reasons some people want to hide other player's glamours is mainly to "cancel" glamour choices that express a lifestyle those people don't agree with: to create a "safe space" where they won't be exposed to such "inappropriate" or "perverse" fashion choices.

I actually don't have an opinion yet on whether that's good or bad.
But I don't want the developers to invest any time enabling it,
that's time they could be spending on more valuable improvements/additions to the game.

It's an MMO. People are going to do things that other people find in bad taste or outright offensive.
But just like in real life, as long as the behavior doesn't violate the TOS/law, people should learn to live with it.

I mean, yeah. I think people who wear jeans and ugly sweaters and hipster glasses in dungeons and instances are lame as fudge and destroy the fantasy aesthetic of the game but I doubt anyone would ever implement this. I'm for it, it's ultimately more power to the player, but then I doubt I'd even use it despite despising the depraved drapings some players choose to wear in the middle of our "adventures".

You gotta think about it in terms of player usage too. How many would REALLY make use of this feature? It might just be money thrown away in development if barely anyone goes for it.

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Originally Posted by SnowVix

Rydia, Rosa Farrell, Terra Branford (morphed), Celes Chere, Rikku, about 75% of the FF X-2 dresspheres, Fran, Vaan, Shiva in literally any of them

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Perfect post.
Final Fantasy is always like: "hot girls and mid-strong boys both fearless and doing impossible things".
It's quite a genre in itself because of this.

We can add to this list Tifa as well, since she is really hot but without much nudity...

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Originally Posted by AcaciaTyrannia

So now that we have female characters tanking in string bikini's and now men in wedding dresses, it's time to adopt an option a lot of other games have: Hide Glamour. Naturally troglodyte are going to assume it's because of the men in dresses. It's actually because it's breaks the theme and feel of it being a final fantasy game. Tanks should wear plate, healers should wear robes, and no one should be in a fight seriously wearing carbuncle slippers and lingerie.

I don't propose a limit to glamour, I just want to be able to turn off other players glamours displaying on my client. That way they can "Express" themselves all they want, and I don't have to suffer another topless male in a thong.

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Honestly I would like to have that option available. One day I can just turn off glams and see everyone in their current gear whether it matches or not, and it'll feel more connected to the world in some way. It also would give a old school mmo vibe too. Then if I want to see creativity; I can just turn it back on. It would feel like two different worlds; and people progging on MSQ can have an interesting experience with that if they wanted to.

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

Seems to me that the reasons some people want to hide other player's glamours is mainly to "cancel" glamour choices that express a lifestyle those people don't agree with: to create a "safe space" where they won't be exposed to such "inappropriate" or "perverse" fashion choices.

I actually don't have an opinion yet on whether that's good or bad.
But I don't want the developers to invest any time enabling it,
that's time they could be spending on more valuable improvements/additions to the game.

It's an MMO. People are going to do things that other people find in bad taste or outright offensive.
But just like in real life, as long as the behavior doesn't violate the TOS/law, people should learn to live with it.

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I can understand where you are coming from Silverbane. This would be the same kind of project that the developers did for ARR flying. ARR flying was something the developers did on their own time without Yoshi's approval but it was widely accepted because they were listening to the playerbase's wishes. It would be cool though. I hope they keep it in their notes for ideas.

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Originally Posted by SnowVix

Rydia, Rosa Farrell, Terra Branford (morphed), Celes Chere, Rikku, about 75% of the FF X-2 dresspheres, Fran, Vaan, Shiva in literally any of them

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Does Cindy from FFXV count?

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Originally Posted by RobynDaBank

Does Cindy from FFXV count?

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I was trying to limit my list to only party members or frequently used summons

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

It's an MMO. People are going to do things that other people find in bad taste or outright offensive.
But just like in real life, as long as the behavior doesn't violate the TOS/law, people should learn to live with it.

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Why? we don't have these options in real life AND these aren't real people,they're characters on a screen.


Once again, it is a video game with entirely different solutions to problems and freedom from real life restrictions.

Why should we have to "live with" problems we could solve without affecting anyone else?

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

Seems to me that the reasons some people want to hide other player's glamours is mainly to "cancel" glamour choices that express a lifestyle those people don't agree with: to create a "safe space" where they won't be exposed to such "inappropriate" or "perverse" fashion choices.

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Nah that is pretty much what it is. People have their opinions on what other people should wear. Although I will give OP this, he's merely asking for a personal setting from the looks of it which I could honestly get behind because it's a personal thing that they aren't trying to force on other people. I'd be a lot more negative if it was like another game where half the playerbase is arguing the options should be either expanded and allow for more, or dialed back severely.

Makes me laugh though at how this particular issue has changed over the years. At first it was just puritans freaking out that part of MMO culture is the tank bikini back when WoW became a mainstream thing that most people who never touched a game before picked up in 2010 or so due to social media and a bunch of celebrities pushing the game after a four year news campaign about how "This will make your kids drop out of school, it made parents let their children starve so they could play for another 30 minutes." Something you would generally associate with one side of the political spectrum, now the other side does the same thing as well for different reasons like "Having skimpy gear in games makes men see women as objects and nothing else and it demeans women by design!" Something that began to occur around 2014-2015. It wouldn't be so annoying if we weren't already having the "Video games make people bad because of certain things" ever since Columbine happened except now you need to deal with two overly sanctimonious groups just desperate to shove their opinions and worldview down your throat by force instead of just the one.

Don't mind me, just here playing Final Fantasy Lightning Returns and tanking bosses with her Midnight Mauve and Rhapsody in Rose outfits.

People do know that in games like GW2 that still has an healthy fashion game and a cash shop does have the option to put people in basic gear in instances PvP at the very least. People survived, you still see the wonky fashion.

Granted it is not for every aspect of the game but it is just an example that does show that such a feature may not have such a large impact on the fashion game as many here seem to think.

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Originally Posted by JennytheJester

"Having skimpy gear in games makes men see women as objects and nothing else and it demeans women by design!" Something that began to occur around 2014-2015.

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People who say things like that are quiet literally ill in the head and crave public attention because they lacked parental figures as kids.

Men characters in games, movie series and what not have had "skimpy" armor for decades now - Conan the Barbarian being one of the more common and widely known examples.

and In general Men character are way more "revealing" in skimpy clothing than women are. even in ffxiv

Nope. I dont wear glamour for my eyes. I wear it to make your eyes bleed :P

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Originally Posted by Ryskim

I strongly approve of this feature when a character is wearing said glamours. Note: this would only apply to partial nudity glamours that would not make any sense in a Final Fantasy game context.

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Considering a set like this gets sold on the store: https://store.finalfantasyxiv.com/ff...us/product/113
It is clear enough that its deliberate to have them in the game and force people to see it (otherwise they wouldnt sell them anymore). It also negates any 'set' argument.

And my personal oppinion here is, even though it realy doesnt suit and i rather would not see anyone use it, it should still be allowed and visible to everyone. Sure, a setting where in cutscenes that glam is turned of could work to preserve immersion. But when players walk around, they should do so in their chosen outfit. Since cutscenes are generaly more about immersion than the actual fighting (and it also makes your character stand out a bit better compared to a situation where a person has such eyesore gear).

Not just that, if people paid for it, it would be worse to hide them. Just because you dont like is no reason to just hide them everywhere. Otherwise im afraid we are going to quickly end up in a situation where glams basicly become irrelevant entirely.

The most used excuse in this case is always "you don't have to look".
This applies to sounds, usually there are settings to disable sounds made by others.
I mean imagine someone having a fog horn toy and going "DO-DO-DOO-DOOOOO!!!!" in your ear every 3 seconds.
Can't really "just don't listen to it", so there has to be a option for the player to mute other users.
That's a totally reasonable request and that's how most games are designed.

Though it's true that you don't have to look at visual stuff, it's still really in your face all the time everywhere.
It can be draining being distracted by bright colors or effects, or just visuals that stick out compared to the rest of the composition currently on screen.
And it does so even more when the player is trying to enjoy a certain mood and theme offered by the game.

But since there are no practical gains over other players by having certain glams on or off, it boils down to a matter of taste,
and sadly the FF universe is such a mix of classic medieval D&D style and modern nanotech glitter.
However, I still vote to hide others glams in FFxiv, based on the game being sold to people as a classic MMO (straight up wow copy btw),
with the modern designs being ushered in with a "but some dimensional travel exists" backdoor.
Yes, it exists, so technically it can be part of the game, but it shouldn't.
And since it's such a niche part of the game, at the very least players should be able to decide how it should look like through their eyes.

This of course will never happen, since games want to sell out with visuals first, almost always.

Could someone care to explain why this is a problem in this community? GW2 has the feature in PvP to hide the attire of people pretty much making everyone look like they are an NPC. People still do their glam and weird outfits. As I said in another post it is one aspect but overall the community in GW2 is like hey if people do not want to see what I wear so be it. Why is it such a sticking point here? Why does it bother people so much that people may not see what they are wearing. It is not like a player will know if a someone is hiding the glam of another person anyways, where exactly does the problem stem from?

I mean I get the argument from a resource perspective, but the other arguments seem fairly weak at best. As mentioned GW2 operators off a cash shop and they allow players to hide the attire of others, does not seem to impact their bottom line since if it did they most likely would have removed it.

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

Could someone care to explain why this is a problem in this community?

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Because every new feature added to the game costs developer resources to implement and introduces the possibility of bugs, and there is no evidence that this particular new feature would:

• be used by a large number of subscribers (most of whom never bother to dig down into their options menus anyway), or
• have any substantial impact on the number of subscribers.

Accordingly, since it won't matter to most players and won't help SE's bottom line, it's not worth the bother.

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

Because every new feature added to the game costs developer resources to implement and introduces the possibility of bugs, and there is no evidence that this particular new feature would:

• be used by a large number of subscribers (most of whom never bother to dig down into their options menus anyway), or
• have any substantial impact on the number of subscribers.

Accordingly, since it won't matter to most players and won't help SE's bottom line, it's not worth the bother.

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As I said i get the development arguments, but that is not the place many are clearly coming from if we are being honest.

Let us play a hypothetical say development time was not a factor would the community have an issue with this feature being added.

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

People do know that in games like GW2 that still has an healthy fashion game and a cash shop does have the option to put people in basic gear in instances PvP at the very least. People survived, you still see the wonky fashion.

Granted it is not for every aspect of the game but it is just an example that does show that such a feature may not have such a large impact on the fashion game as many here seem to think.

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That's specifically a PvP option to alert you to what the person you're targeting would be capable of. In XIV that's accomplished by simply replacing the nameplate with the job.

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

Because every new feature added to the game costs developer resources to implement and introduces the possibility of bugs, and there is no evidence that this particular new feature would:

• be used by a large number of subscribers (most of whom never bother to dig down into their options menus anyway), or
• have any substantial impact on the number of subscribers.

Accordingly, since it won't matter to most players and won't help SE's bottom line, it's not worth the bother.

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I think it would matter to most players. And a huge amount of players would use it when playing through content the first time.

If there were a flag I could check for "Dress players in their Artifact armor for first time instanced content playthrough" I'd use it.

I wouldn't object to the option existing, because I don't particularly care what other people see on their screens. I'm never gonna see it anyway. I'd never use it, as much as the barrage of naked Hrothgar and joke-glammed Roes gets old, but it wouldn't really bother me.

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Originally Posted by SnowVix

That's specifically a PvP option to alert you to what the person you're targeting would be capable of. In XIV that's accomplished by simply replacing the nameplate with the job.

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I am aware of that the option still exists and it has no devalued the fashion market or be remarked as an enfringment of any kid like some have tried to argue here.

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

I am aware of that the option still exists and it has no devalued the fashion market or be remarked as an enfringment of any kid like some have tried to argue here.

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You're unaware of the reasoning behind why the option exists

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Originally Posted by SnowVix

You're unaware of the reasoning behind why the option exists

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I am aware, thing is the reason behind why it was put into place is a tad on the moot side if we being honest. Yes, in FFXIV it would not be in place for the same reason, the point I was trying to make is that the feature does exist in other games and it has not devalued the fashion market or has had any impact noticeable impact on the drive or the desire to glam their gear. As I said before sure in GW2 it is only for PvP but nevertheless, it is still a feature.

You have people in this very thread stating that such a feature would impact the drive for glamour while we do not have a proper 1 to 1 comparison the samples we do have that have such a feature granted not for the reason stated in the OP here. That said the fears and concern have not happened in GW2, granted PvP does have a smallish community due to other reasons.

I was not saying the feature in FFXIV should be added for the same reason as GW2, what I am saying it is possible for it be added, and outside of the development cost the other arguments against it do not seem to hold much water. That is why I posed the hypothetical situation that if development cost was not a factor would be people still have an issue with such a feature being added.

+ 1 for this tbh. I really love the gear in this game especially the armor. I'd like to be able to turn peoples glams off so I can see it more, especially the least favorited ones that everyone glams over (lvl 50 stuff)

I was gone from here for over 2 years and this thread is still going with the same tired "help, I'm being oppressed by this feature idea" nonsense. Hydaelyn help us all.

Whelp, seeing as this got necro'd and is going to be on the front page for a few days...

That's a negative for me. Any gear in the game is fair game, it's been added in by the devs and is free for anyone to use for anything. Enforcing your idea of how everyone should look on other players, even if it's only on your screen, is encroaching on dangerous territory, and it's also similar to the whole issue with modders having body/clothing mods that affect other player characters in ways they might not appreciate.

I can't see this being a feature Square would *ever* implement, tbh. Maybe they will, who knows, but I highly doubt it.

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

Whelp, seeing as this got necro'd and is going to be on the front page for a few days...

That's a negative for me. Any gear in the game is fair game, it's been added in by the devs and is free for anyone to use for anything. Enforcing your idea of how everyone should look on other players, even if it's only on your screen, is encroaching on dangerous territory, and it's also similar to the whole issue with modders having body/clothing mods that affect other player characters in ways they might not appreciate.

I can't see this being a feature Square would *ever* implement, tbh. Maybe they will, who knows, but I highly doubt it.

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Except now you're dictating what people can and cannot do with their own devices.

I just wear tome gear, and if I don't like the looks of it, I glamour it with a universal weathered shepherd's set.
The glamour system is such a pain to deal with that I just bother trying to make new sets.

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Originally Posted by Hugowulf

I mean I get it. Though that’s part of the experience, you don’t have to like everyone you meet.

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I mean, do I really 'want' to see a dude in a tanga and cowboy boots and a hat running around in my dungeon? Nah. Do I care enough to want to exclude him from my view? No. It's simply not something that I think needs 'added to the game'. More ways of excluding others from the game are not a good thing, imo.
YMMV.

No because then youll miss out on actual good gear glams and I dont want to punish my senses from not ever seeing good fashion just because theres some people out there with meme glams.

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Originally Posted by KeshLives

I mean, do I really 'want' to see a dude in a tanga and cowboy boots and a hat running around in my dungeon? Nah. Do I care enough to want to exclude him from my view? No. It's simply not something that I think needs 'added to the game'. More ways of excluding others from the game are not a good thing, imo.
YMMV.

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How exactly are you "excluding others" from the game by using an entirely client side feature?

With unholy powers I have found a way to create my ideal, and it is glorious.

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

Whelp, seeing as this got necro'd and is going to be on the front page for a few days...

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Also putting in my two gil: Does it really matter if we have this feature or not? My main is a male healer. I'm going to be wearing dress and heels any way.

I want to see all your glams, ugly as they are :3
People take their time to roll those 2B leggins up for us, best we can do for them is stare back where the sun doesn’t shine.

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Originally Posted by Joven

Except now you're dictating what people can and cannot do with their own devices.

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How exactly is "leaving things the way they are" dictating what people can and cannot do with their own devices?

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Originally Posted by KeshLives

I mean, do I really 'want' to see a dude in a tanga and cowboy boots and a hat running around in my dungeon? Nah. Do I care enough to want to exclude him from my view? No. It's simply not something that I think needs 'added to the game'. More ways of excluding others from the game are not a good thing, imo.
YMMV.

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I'm not sure how people are getting excluded, but generally, yes, I agree with this. It's just an unnecessary dev attention that's better spent on something else. And again, if it's in the game, it's free to use.

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

How exactly is "leaving things the way they are" dictating what people can and cannot do with their own devices?

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You're saying people shouldn't be allowed an option that only they themselves would see.

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Originally Posted by Joven

You're saying people shouldn't be allowed an option that only they themselves would see.

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That's not what I'm saying at all?

I said it's close to dangerous territory and is similar to modding situations some people would really frown upon.