Remove auto-logout feature

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings,

We do not have any plans of eliminating the automatic logout feature at the moment. However, we would like to keep an eye on the conditions now that it has been implemented, and if we determine that adjustments can be made we will look into extending the time before you are automatically logged out.

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Originally Posted by Kiara

Hi Camate,

Thanks. I just wanted to say I don't mind an Auto-Logout, but I vote for "1 Hour" for Logout, as the ideal sweet spot. There are times something comes up and then get some food or other things and come back, and 30 minutes feels a tad too short. (We miss out of potential /tells or FC / LS Chat when we get logged out.)

Thanks!

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IMO its even better to make the autolog optional.

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Originally Posted by Nin-Lil-izi

MUDs a plenty for the first half the 90's.. But back it was much the same as IRC... A logout was a network failure and online times in the weeks were common.
Ultima Online... (1997->2001) No logouts.... But cost of mobile internet service back then kept sessions short to only a half dozen hours or so at a time.
Everquest... (1999->2001) No logouts.
EVE Online... (2001->2004) No logouts.
FFXI.... (2004->2007) Logouts are an option you have to enable.
LOTRO... (2007->2010) Logout optional.
FFXIV... (2010-Now)

It's a pretty typical gaming history, even if I've hopped between games far more often than most I know.
I tend to move on when devs ruin a game by ruining the fun things to do, or turn it into a different product entirely.
FFXIV has to be an industry first for a redesign making a game better. Even if the dumbing down is a sadness.


anyway... The auto-logout gets in the way of the exact opposite of lazyness... Like those of us who play while cooking/cleaning our trailers/keeping up with guild chat and watching for when guildies start a quick dungeon run while working on projects on our other screens.... Because it makes for a better game experience than the df.
Random dungeon running breaks scattered thru your day really make you a more focused hacker.

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Let's counter that:

WoW (2004 - current) - has an afk kick
Aion (2009 - current) - has an afk kick
Tera (2011 - current) - has an afk kick
Rift (2011 - current) - has an afk kick
SWtor (2011 - current) - has an afk kick

So yes....the norm in massive MMO these days is having an auto-afk kick.
Sure, those game you list had no afk kick, but also had no where near the ammount of players MMOs today have (because MMO were not as masive as they are now)

I don't understand why people are upset about an auto kick. How hard is it to log back on?! And yes like the guy above me posted, it is the norm.

*Is wondering if the OP, or anyone else who doesn't support an auto logout have ever played an MMO before.*

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Originally Posted by ergoproxy

IMO its even better to make the autolog optional.

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Agian that goes completely against the point of the afk system, its not there just for fun there is a reason for it.

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Originally Posted by Kiara

Hi Camate,

Thanks. I just wanted to say I don't mind an Auto-Logout, but I vote for "1 Hour" for Logout, as the ideal sweet spot. There are times something comes up and then get some food or other things and come back, and 30 minutes feels a tad too short. (We miss out of potential /tells or FC / LS Chat when we get logged out.)

Thanks!

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To be fair increasing the time would an alright idea, then no one can complain because it wont affect DF hardly because most people get a group whiten the hour :), but i would say no more than that.

This is one of those things that if they had it when the game launched, nobody would complain even if it was months after game release. But since it's being added NOW rather than BEFORE people have already gotten used being lazy and thinking that AFKing in a game where there are people waiting is their only way to play.

With the new AFK system I'm sure that getting back in is no harder than spamming 0 on your num pad to try to get it in. People just like to bitch about something because they've already conditioned their tiny brains to do something else. You don't even have to type your password, you just have to hit the start button and it takes you to your character screen. So people complaining about that obviously haven't been afk timed out. NO PASSWORD RETYPING. So those people griping have literally not had it happen to them, they're just complaining for the sake of complaining.

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Originally Posted by Gamma621

*Is wondering if the OP, or anyone else who doesn't support an auto logout have ever played an MMO before.*

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not a real one
Most are ps3 players the others listed games with little to no playerbase at all like lotr and f2p games. All the major mmos have this from wow on down, if it is worth playing it has this feature already.

Totally ruins the immersion of my character moonlighting as a street actor playing the part of a living statue at the Aetheryte crystal.

Seriously though, I'm glad they finally added this. Not that hard to log back in any more.

I can't even begin to think of the amount of laziness it must require to complain about taking two clicks to get back into the game. Unless the game booted you while you were spending half at hour reading someone in game and it saw that as AFK, then I'm not sure what people are complaining about.

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Originally Posted by Herase

Agian that goes completely against the point of the afk system, its not there just for fun there is a reason for it.

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Having it on by default. Most people would probably not turn it off. I admit that my "free gameplay style" comes from playing FFXI and FFXIV 1.0. It might feel good anyway if they increase the time to 1+ hour. But for me it was very surprising that SE actually implemented this. And im one of those who log out when going to work or when i sleep. Just find it a bit annoying during the day to not be able to follow things that comes up in LS/FC or whatever, because of also doing things irl back and forth.

I absolutely love this feature. you can argue it all you want but if your afk to eat, poop, feed your baby, working out, at work, SLEEPING, or whatever the case me be and its more than 20min or whatever the criteria is you need to be logged out so it does not impead any one else who would like to log into the game or even join a full world for that matter.

IDC if you pay 100 a day to play if your afk your logged out.... why should others have to wait on you!!

can you please tell me all the mmo you have played? I really am curious, all the ones i played did have it.

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Originally Posted by April_Fool

The same reason people go to facebook and twitter i'd like to know what i missed out on, plans for the day, who got what level last night, fun stories!, jokes, horror stories of pugs. but also if im paying for the service shouldn't i be able to use it if im not there?

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Thank you for the answer. I guess I can sort of understand why you want to see the LS chat, it's just not something that ever occurred to me.

Regarding your right to stay logged in because you're paying, I do still have to disagree with that way of thinking. I just think that it's similar to remaining in a crowded restaurant for hours, talking to your friends, but preventing others from eating just because you've paid to be there. If the restaurant was empty, or didn't have a waiting line, it would be different; but with crowds lining up to try to get space, I just can't be that discourteous. *shrug*

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Originally Posted by Phafi

I don't like the auto disconnect timer because i find it helpful seeing the tells I got while I was gone. Sometimes they're actually useful information rather than "want to do haukke?"

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If it's so important that they have to tell you, there IS the Moogle Mail service. I used it rather successfully to keep in touch with one of the people I transferred from Ridill with. Don't need to be logged in to get Moogle Mail.

As someone who has spent an hour trying to log on with 1017 errors, I am in favor of an auto-log out feature. I am loving thi game, but I'm not interested in payer for a game I can't play when I want. My playtime is limited so losing it to 1017 hurts.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings,

We do not have any plans of eliminating the automatic logout feature at the moment. However, we would like to keep an eye on the conditions now that it has been implemented, and if we determine that adjustments can be made we will look into extending the time before you are automatically logged out.

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Good now implement something for the folks that think AFKing in CM is now cool!

I'm amazed by the number of people that are bothered by the auto log out. If having to remember to tab in and move for half a second every 15-30 minutes is a hardship for you or you're afraid you won't be able to remember too... wow. Do you need SE to send you a facebook or text message that your dungeon is ready?

Is it really uncommon to queue for a dungeon (when I feel like going dps) ... and then switching jobs to be productive while I wait? I can mine, log or level a battle class, work on crafting or just sit and chat with friends.

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Originally Posted by Erudain

Let's counter that:

WoW (2004 - current) - has an afk kick
Aion (2009 - current) - has an afk kick
Tera (2011 - current) - has an afk kick
Rift (2011 - current) - has an afk kick
SWtor (2011 - current) - has an afk kick

So yes....the norm in massive MMO these days is having an auto-afk kick.
Sure, those game you list had no afk kick, but also had no where near the ammount of players MMOs today have (because MMO were not as masive as they are now)

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4 of those titles are free to play though... Free to play is fine with an autokick, sub games are not imo.

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Originally Posted by Raeletta

Should be extended to about 2 hours, you'd get rid of the sleepers and workers, but those in the DF would be fine.

Or make it so the DF prevents the timer ticking down, that'd be acceptable (Although I'd prefer a flat 2 hours). If you don't respond to the queue you get kicked from the DF anyway, so if the 30 mins started then you'd be booted afterwards. Which would be fine: you missed the queue because you didn't hear the sound (Were not at your PC at all) rather than because you were distracted by that interesting forum post and got booted while you read all 15 pages.

Like someone else said though, AFKing in interesting places makes the world seem so much more lively, and now the servers are actually stable, the timer isn't really worth it.

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Seriously, first world issue, because you can just log back in. WTF is your problem? I mean honestly, if you're not playing the game, then you're not playing the game, so log out. /rant

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Originally Posted by DeceptionsWrath

4 of those titles are free to play though... Free to play is fine with an autokick, sub games are not imo.

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Stop acting like an entitled pariah.

I'm curious if anyone would complain about this feature if it had even noticed if this feature had been a default feature since launch.

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Originally Posted by DeceptionsWrath

4 of those titles are free to play though... Free to play is fine with an autokick, sub games are not imo.

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So what? The whole purpose of why the auto log out got implemented currently is because large numbers of AFK players were preventing others from being able to play in the first place. Objectively, is any one person's sub fee more important than any other? No it is not, but when you have the problem of people not being able to play due to more players than expected being made worse by people logged in and not playing for prolonged periods of time, an auto-kick is needed to make it so the majority has a chance to actually play instead of the minority monopolizing the available slots. When the digital sales get re-implemented, and if there is not massive congestion I can see this being relaxed or even eliminated, but until the games population becomes stable and is not growing at a fast rate the AFK boot needs to stay.

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Originally Posted by Noata

There is an easy way to fix this, you see someone is AFK or a bot, running into a wall for extended periods of time. Simply take a screenshot, fill out a report that they are botting and let SE sort it out. I really hope people don't try to run at walls, it will make it hard to tell them from bots... and bots get perma banned

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I hope i find people running into walls for extended periods of time! I love reporting bots and if your running into a wall just to stay in the game then you're a bot and need banned.

Auto Kick is easily defeated without running into walls (since of course auto run doesn't defeat it) so no need to report someone running into a wall. No third party tools are needed none of that sort. I will report those using bots however. I'll continue to afk for as long as I see fit until they increase the 30 minute margain.

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Originally Posted by Crystallus

Auto Kick is easily defeated without running into walls (since of course auto run doesn't defeat it) so no need to report someone running into a wall. No third party tools are needed none of that sort. I will report those using bots however. I'll continue to afk for as long as I see fit until they increase the 30 minute margain.

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It's always somewhat funny when someone tries to put their foot down like this. This is a video game, a GAME, I hope everyone is aware of this. This isn't a job, or a raffle to get a car, or buying a house and dealing with the builder, this is a video game. You guys are all "I'm gonna do this as long as I see fit till SE gives me what I want, waaaaah"....honestly, it's literally nauseating that this is what people find the time to complain about....really sad stuff.

I'm really dreading what I'm about to say, honestly, because I hate the "stop acting like 12 year olds" comments. But you guys literally sound like kids....my daughter throws tantrums that are around the same as what you guys are doing. Screaming so she can get her way or trying to test me (neither of which work I might add), people here are literally doing the same thing towards SE.

I only have two words for this type of behavior.

Grow up.

in what way is logging back in after 30+ minutes of complete inactivity unacceptable?

I'm willing to listen but "just because" is not really an answer. Logging back in is super fast now with the server upgrades so that's no issue

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Originally Posted by DeceptionsWrath

4 of those titles are free to play though... Free to play is fine with an autokick, sub games are not imo.

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Rift USED to be a sub game and had Afk timer at launch.

The AFK kick doesn't seem to work so well anyway.

I started farming diremite webs in the North shroud yesterday and there was an AFK THM next to my usual farming spot. Ive been farming for 3 hours, that guy didn't disappear ( log out ) nor moved a toe.

Later that day i came back to farm couple more hours... That guy was still there at the exact same spot and once again didn't move at all or been logged out all the time i was farming. I actually bet that if i go to my spot right now he would still be there.

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Originally Posted by Sadique

can you please tell me all the mmo you have played? I really am curious, all the ones i played did have it.

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irrelevant statement, the argument to support that auto kick should not be "because every mmo ive played has it" when i can list several sub based ones that do not. Right off the top of my head? ffxi and lineage 2(before f2p of course).

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Originally Posted by DeceptionsWrath

4 of those titles are free to play though... Free to play is fine with an autokick, sub games are not imo.

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I'm sorry but what point are you trying to make?

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Originally Posted by DeceptionsWrath

4 of those titles are free to play though... Free to play is fine with an autokick, sub games are not imo.

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4 of those games had auto kick before they became free to play as well

Keep the afk kicker. I don't know why you would even want to remove it in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Orlox

What I want to know is, why now?

Why bother implementing this when logins no longer require a ridiculous amounts of time & guessing, and the queues are back to functioning as they should?

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Likelky becuase they are set to re open sales soon, (nearly) all worlds are now open for new characters and a afk timer should help avoiding the repeat of 3012 and 1017 as a new flood of people that could *possibly* be joining us in a short while.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings,

We do not have any plans of eliminating the automatic logout feature at the moment. However, we would like to keep an eye on the conditions now that it has been implemented, and if we determine that adjustments can be made we will look into extending the time before you are automatically logged out.

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If I go eat food or do some cleaning whilst waiting for LS event, I'd like to know what has been said in LS chat or in /tells to me whilst I was afk. You are destroying my game immersion and LS team spirit!

We should disable retainers when we're not logged in since that eats up resources and we're not actually playing so...

1) People saying "It's the reason the servers were screwed up near launch" are ridiculous. It was a byproduct not the cause.

2) What is done with a person's account should be completely up to them. If they want to afk with their paid subscription, no one has the right to tell them they can't (ESPECIALLY when it doesn't affect them, which it doesn't).

3) There's no record of a chat log. Once you logout (or are forced to), it's gone.

4) There's no record of a sales log. Once you logout (or are forced to), it's gone. I don't want to waste time going back to town to check if any of my stuff has sold only to find out it hasn't when I'm trying to move a large amount of stuff out after a crafting spree. I want to be free to go do something else for a bit, go afk when I need to, to break things up a bit if need be but be able to come back and continue doing whatever it was without worrying about whether something sold while i was gone (and got auto kicked).

5) The server login issues are (mostly) resolved, this "feature" is over a week late and no longer relevant. Especially as a pacifier for the people who "whined" about it when they couldn't login.

6) Getting auto kicked puts you back at the start menu. If you're afk, that means that start screen video is going to play, which is a lot more load-heavy on a graphics card over an unpopulated area in-game (such as an inn room). This is bad if you are unexpectedly gone for a few hours.

I could go on but I feel I've wasted my time because the trolls are going to be like "you could just logout!" or "you eat server resources!" and just ignore perfectly valid points or nitpick (falsely at that).

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Originally Posted by Zyeriis

We should disable retainers when we're not logged in

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Please no. i want to keep the stuff i sell available for people 24/7 as it is now.

Most of time one of my items sells is when im logged out. I have a small gil income ( 15k per day ) don't cut the opportunity to get this daily income from lvl50 "day & night" crafters because im off when they need the item i would have been able to sell them if i was in.

I think 30 mins its too short, 1 hour would be great. This feature its great to help servers to avoid "queques" or crash due high trafic.

Reading people complain about this its a joke, oh wait i wanted to say 6 hour in the roof of some building or siting in a table?.

I think what many people are missing is that many endgame events take hours to set up, sometimes more. Communication is vital during those times. Most people are not going to stare at the screen for 2 hours while a guild raid ( or whatever ff14 endgame has in store ) gets setup. Running back to the comp to hit the space bar every 20 minutes... is fairly retarded. Also if the endgame events end up anything like ff11 ... 2 hours for group setup would be nothing. Imagine trying to organize a saturday dyna run with a 30 min logout feature.. lol :)

Why, this is what the majority wanted, and I love it.

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Originally Posted by hawkk

I think what many people are missing is that many endgame events take hours to set up, sometimes more. Communication is vital during those times. Most people are not going to stare at the screen for 2 hours while a guild raid ( or whatever ff14 endgame has in store ) gets setup. Running back to the comp to hit the space bar every 20 minutes... is fairly retarded. Also if the endgame events end up anything like ff11 ... 2 hours for group setup would be nothing. Imagine trying to organize a saturday dyna run with a 30 min logout feature.. lol :)

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then log back in problem solved

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Originally Posted by shanvhere

then log back in problem solved

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Or just move every so often. This kind of feature isn't uncommon in an mmo and it's what the forums were crying for before, you got what you wanted.

I guess people are just that obsessed with complaining or something. No doubt when any kind of extension is added or the feature is removed altogether(god forbid) there will be another topic just like this, just going on about something different.

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