Yoshida-san - GLOBAL Servers and Balancing Tweaks Instead of Regional Servers

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Originally Posted by Jynx

I could say the same about a global community, as you simultaniously make massive assumptions about what people will/wont do.

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Great. So how about you stop replying to me and I'll stop replying to you then

You are free to ignore me, but I came here to discuss things on the forums and discuss I will. I asked you a question and you answered, I then elaborated on why I feel your assumption are wrong.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

So everyone outside of your region doesn't speak english...oh man.

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You are taking a lot of what I say the wrong way maybe because it's a little abrasive, but that's okay. I'm more likely to understand some Spanish and French because that's what they teach in schools here and that's what I took. Also, I understand that with NA servers the EU community won't take much of a hit coming to one and that I should expect them.

But let's be real here. Most EU speak english well enough to get points across. JP don't and it goes the same way around. Stop acting like there isn't a greater language barrier and that both sides don't feel like trying hard to communicate anymore. Cause that's the case.

So your both going to a regional server then?

Well, I know I'm going on a regional server, ( any probably most new players will probably go regional as well). NA Person: Okay I made everything now for the server... Which one.. NA JP or EU ( New player thinking). I would suspect they would choose NA. So in the end people will flock to NA ( at least the New players will).

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Originally Posted by BruceyBruceyBangBang

You are taking a lot of what I say the wrong way

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My point is that you said that you more or less can't speak with people outside of your region so what's the point?

You seem to act like the only reason people want global servers is because of Japanese players, when it's not the case. There are people allover the globe that speak english and would like to be able to play the game on a server that has both people that speak their language and people who are actually online at the times they play.

A english speaking person in Japan, Korea, or many parts that would fall under the closest for the Japanese region would be out of luck having either or. Pick a english speaking server and find it dead when you log on, pick a Japanese server and find yourself with next to nobody to play with due to language barriers. At least with global servers you tend to find more people to play with because everyone from everywhere is on one server.

My argument at least isn't about the Japanese, it's about the global community (That is more than just NA, EU, JP regions) and the benifits that come from having players on your server 24/7 regardless of wether you actively interact with them or not they serve a purpose in the game much like they do in real life.

Just because your sleeping doesn't mean the world stops turning and I like it when MMO's operate this way as well.

I like how your responce starlord, did not include "world" as an option.

In fact, youve basically helped prove my point. If the options are EU/NA/JP, "new" NA people will pick NA, and most of you are claiming that NA people will still pick other servers, which is rediculous. If a world server is not an option, the population will not mix, it is basically region locked reguardless of what people say. SE is just pulling a R.kelly and calling it rain.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

My point is that you said that you more or less can't speak with people outside of your region so what's the point?

You seem to act like the only reason people want global servers is because of Japanese players, when it's not the case. There are people allover the globe that speak english and would like to be able to play the game on a server that has both people that speak their language and people who are actually online at the times they play.

A english speaking person in Japan, Korea, or many parts that would fall under the closest for the Japanese region would be out of luck having either or. Pick a english speaking server and find it dead when you log on, pick a Japanese server and find yourself with next to nobody to play with due to language barriers. At least with global servers you tend to find more people to play with because everyone from everywhere is on one server.

My argument at least isn't about the Japanese, it's about the global community (That is more than just NA, EU, JP regions) and the benifits that come from having players on your server 24/7 regardless of wether you actively interact with them or not they serve a purpose in the game much like they do in real life.

Just because your sleeping doesn't mean the world stops turning and I like it when MMO's operate this way as well.

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You seem to be under the impression that you'll be needing a group for most things, which I don't blame you for thinking being a FFXI vet, but you are more likely to do things solo aside from dungeons.... which is what content finder is for and it expands throughout all servers. Even PvP will expand throughout all servers.

You're just asking for overcrowded servers filled with groups of people who don't even want to play with each other due to language barriers or fear of latency and if there isn't one [language barrier] there that's what content finder is for. You guys make it seem like you will never be able to play with people outside of your region ever again.

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Originally Posted by Kiara

But a key point to consider is this:

One of the most appealing and unique aspects of Final Fantasy XIV (and XI) that made them stand out from the other MMOs *is* that these Online Final Fantasies are GLOBAL.

You encounter players from all over the world, and it's this cultural diversity that is one of THE most appealing things for me about this game (and for many others).

Having Global Servers (NOT segregated) means that you can find players to do stuff with, or just chat and hang out, at ANY TIME OF THE DAY.

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One of the major issues today with the GLOBAL server is the lack of ability to support a GLOBAL population.

One VERY important factor, even with ARR, is the server is going to be limited to 1000 players, or 2x of the current servers.

If we break the world down to three major playing zones, USA, EU, Asia, we are now talking on avg of 300+ players being on at any given 8 hr period, and less then 200 players with existing servers.

One benefit of having regional servers, especially for a server that can only serve a limited number of players, is at least you will have most of the 1000 players based close in time zones. So now you may actually have 600-800 players being on at once.

IMHO, having MORE players in a region, will allows you to find more players to play with, because everyone on a given server are more likely to play around the same time, a global server limited to 1000 will not offer this.

BTW, EVE-Online has a global server structure, and their player base is usually 25K+ on weekdays, and 40K+ on weekends, with their main market server limited to handle 1400 players. This was the stat when I used to play at least 1/2 year ago.

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Basically, your saying your going to be mostly soloing... unless your not (aka dungeons). Thats true anywhere, unless you specifically mean leveling, which maby i could see depending greatly on how they do it (and I promise you dont have this information).

"Content Finder" will be the gimp way of doing things, as in those people that cant get into endgame, its a horrible system, its anti-ls and will likely be used for "normal" mode dungeons, not hard modes, even in wow you cant do a dungeon finder for normal/heroic DS, its only for old dungeons that are out of date.

People obviously do want to play with others from other time zones, hense the fact that these threads even exist, and again, your rolling back to talking about JP's without saying it, its not just about JP's, its EU's and people from other places, my ls has atleast 15+ EU members in it with a good 25+ NA. On 11 my ls had NA/EU/JP divisions and events ran around the clock, people from all 3 divisions bled into the other time zones.

Reguardless of all of this, just do not play on a world server if they make them, it has nothing to do with you, at all, this does not effect you in any way, idc if you think it will fail, idc if your as racist as you all appear to be, I am not, and many others are not, i dont speak anything but english, but I manage to be in JP Garuda/hamlet/17min AV/CC's on a daily basis, around the clock, thats all this is about, we do not want 2-3hr prime times then the server dies.

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Originally Posted by Jeronlmo

I like how your responce starlord, did not include "world" as an option.

In fact, youve basically helped prove my point. If the options are EU/NA/JP, "new" NA people will pick NA, and most of you are claiming that NA people will still pick other servers, which is rediculous. If a world server is not an option, the population will not mix, it is basically region locked reguardless of what people say. SE is just pulling a R.kelly and calling it rain.

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Lol, well I'm sure even the new players will find out that there are other databases that they could try if they want a "international" feel. But at first suspect NA being with NA EU being with EU and JP being with JP, except for us because well.. we know about it :P. but it doesn't reeally bother me though.. However, I know it will effect other people. So I understand what your talking about.

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Originally Posted by Jeronlmo

Basically, your saying your going to be mostly soloing... unless your not (aka dungeons). Thats true anywhere, unless you specifically mean leveling, which maby i could see depending greatly on how they do it (and I promise you dont have this information).

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There is plenty of information backing this up. Maybe you should look into recent information regarding the game.

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"Content Finder" will be the gimp way of doing things, as in those people that cant get into endgame, its a horrible system, its anti-ls and will likely be used for "normal" mode dungeons, not hard modes, even in wow you cant do a dungeon finder for normal/heroic DS, its only for old dungeons that are out of date.

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Cool. Has nothing to do with what we're discussing, but thanks for your opinion on content finder.

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People obviously do want to play with others from other time zones, hense the fact that these threads even exist, and again, your rolling back to talking about JP's without saying it, its not just about JP's, its EU's and people from other places, my ls has atleast 15+ EU members in it without a good 25+ NA. On 11 my ls had NA/EU/JP divisions and events ran around the clock, people from all 3 divisions bled into the other time zones.

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JP keep being the subject because they are the ones who seem to not have a problem with it and that's important to note. Why are some NA and EU players crying about it so much when in theory they will only be separated by server location, but not in group content if they choose? Maybe because it isn't a big deal to them. We're the ones with the issue and making it a bigger problem than it isn't.

Also, that's awesome that you had different divisions. You can still do that across servers.

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Reguardless of all of this, just do not play on a world server if they make them, it has nothing to do with you, at all, this does not effect you in any way, idc if you think it will fail, idc if your as racist as you all appear to be, I am not, and many others are not, i dont speak anything but english, but I manage to be in JP Garuda/hamlet/17min AV/CC's on a daily basis, around the clock, thats all this is about, we do not want 2-3hr prime times then the server dies.

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What is stopping you to do that? Again, that is what content finder is for. If they don't want to play with you because they don't speak english and such they wouldn't even invite you if you were on their server anyway.

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Originally Posted by BruceyBruceyBangBang

You seem to be under the impression that you'll be needing a group for most things, which I don't blame you for thinking being a FFXI vet, but you are more likely to do things solo aside from dungeons.... which is what content finder is for and it expands throughout all servers. Even PvP will expand throughout all servers.

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I have a question that I have not seen answered. Will the instance server (dungeons/pvp/etc) be regional as well?

Since content finder and PVP will be cross servers, i assume it will be separate from regional world servers. If it is separate, where will it reside? If its in Japan, then won't it make the whole concept of regional servers irrelevant?

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Originally Posted by Starfall

I have a question that I have not seen answered. Will the instance server (dungeons/pvp/etc) be regional as well?

Since content finder and PVP will be cross servers, i assume it will be separate from regional world servers. If it is separate, where will it reside? If its in Japan, then won't it make the whole concept of regional servers irrelevant?

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I've seen this question from a couple of people and that certainly is something that needs to be answered. My best guess would be that everyone is pulled to the server of who organized the group.

Chances are Content finder will be region locked as well but span that regions 2-3 servers for players. Considering the latency is so atrocious we can't ever play with it apparantly. If they were to design twitch mechanics into the game it would defeat the entire purpose of the regional servers.

You need to take your own advice and read back a page or so, content finder was brought up, so I responded. Just as you did actually to my post.

The information that was released said it would be more quest based, not exp grinding, it said nothing about it being mainly solo or party based. They also said leve's would not be going anywhere, which was party based before jobs came out, so you should prob assume they are going to make them less soloable.

NA people claiming they read the first/middle/last page of a 1k+ post thread by using google translate and saying JP's just dont give a damn is rediculous.

Again, there is a difference to a "Content Finder" party, and a LS party, content find is random gimps, thats the majority of people that use it, its for people who cant get into any real endgame shell, I know you wont like this fact, but its how the idea even came about, it forces a group of random gimps together and sees what happens, they are also releasing "Normal Mode" content specifically for this crap, "Hard Mode" will likely not be involved.

All you really have to do is look at wow, you know the game yoshida is 100% copying.
Dungeon Finder - Only connects to out-of-date dungeons and 0 hard mode anything.
Raid Finder - Actually came out with a 3rd version of DS specifically for it, The first boss in DS atm is named morchok, the raid finder version meant for 25 people I think it is? actually has less HP than the Normal Mode Morchok of the same raid which is meant for 10 people.

Content/dungeon/raid finder is for gimp content, always will be, your suggesting I want to deal with people ive never talked to and will never see again, it is 100% not the same thing.

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Content/dungeon/raid finder is for gimp content, always will be, your suggesting I want to deal with people ive never talked to and will never see again, it is 100% not the same thing.

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This isn't WoW. the content finder has been advertised to be for all content, not just "easy" content. Yes, ogranized groups will stick to their organized groups. But that doesn't mean you'll never meet a competent person outside of that.

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Anyway, more on topic. What would be even better than regional or global servers is if there was just one game world. But that's a really difficult thing to achieve- you either need channels, or a huge game world, and it can potentially limit the complexity of certain systems, because there is a limit to how much bandwidth each client can use for a server cluster to support such a large number of players That's not to say it's never been done of course, but the design of a game has a huge impact on whether or not this is possible.

Wow is technically for all content, but it doesnt specify the difficulty of each content, there is a "raid finder" for DS, but only the raid finder version, not normal or hard, this game is going to have "normal" and "hard" modes.

Is the rest of your post just a joke/derail? Because your talking about something thats actually impossible and its not "on topic".

Waaah I want to force everyone to make my preferred choice instead of letting them figure it out for themselves.

Don't need 30 pages to sum up one sentence.

Are you all forgetting that as a Legacy Member you can have up to 8 characters on Every Server/World? You can still play with your "International Friends" on their servers at no extra cost.

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Originally Posted by Davorok

Are you all forgetting that as a Legacy Member you can have up to 8 characters on Every Server/World? You can still play with your "International Friends" on their servers at no extra cost.

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This argument is silly. How many people will want and have the time to do everything from scratch 8x over on 8 different servers?
As compared to being able to play with them now with our one and only pimped out character?

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Originally Posted by tymora

This argument is silly. How many people will want and have the time to do everything from scratch 8x over on 8 different servers?

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If progression is not super time-sinky and not a pain in the ass to achieve, it might just be possible. I'm assuming that will be the case, as they're encouraging people to roll alts to see the storylines for the other grand companies and other cities. As I'm a big inner-RP nut (I don't openly RP with others, but build my characters based on concepts and backstories), it might actually get me to create a character dedicated to crafting, and a character where having MRD fully leveled and WAR unlocked makes sense, and maybe even a character that can be a BRD or WHM.

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Originally Posted by Davorok

Are you all forgetting that as a Legacy Member you can have up to 8 characters on Every Server/World? You can still play with your "International Friends" on their servers at no extra cost.

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And if ARR has half of the story that the original had I'm not going to sit through it on multiple characters again and again and again. I understand people who might, but I for on am not interested in doing that. There's a reason you can do all of your classes to 50 on one character, and it's so that you realistically don't "need" another character, and because of that, I don't want to have to need another character because of multiple region conveniences.

pump up, really hate new design. we need global server no regional server.
players dont need to know the server location, put it in north pole, the machine will never be over heated and equal distance to all the time region

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Originally Posted by rocky

pump up, really hate new design. we need global server no regional server.
players dont need to know the server location, put it in north pole, the machine will never be over heated and equal distance to all the time region

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Nah, you're still screwing the Aussies. We need servers in the planet's core.

Kiara, I am glad you are not in charge. That is a horrible idea. If there was a "dislike" button you'd see more of those than "likes." If they said you can ONLY join the server for your region, I would understand your point. But since you can choose whatever server you'd like, everything you said is irrelevant. Global servers mixed with regional servers would not work. I could make a long ass post like you did to explain myself but i've already wasted enough time with this one.

way to necro a really old thread (original last posts in mid to late September).. ^^;;

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Originally Posted by Merc

If they said you can ONLY join the server for your region, I would understand your point. But since you can choose whatever server you'd like, everything you said is irrelevant. Global servers mixed with regional servers would not work.

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Hi Merc,

You're welcome to express your own opinion as well (same for me). If I may ask:

* Why would simply adding *one word of text* in the Server List stating that

Server A = International

Instead of "JP", be "irrelevant"? How does it bother you, or ruin Regional Servers?

Just as Yoshi P & Square Enix have already *labeled* Ragnarok as a "European server" (from the Lodestone Main Page: "Ragnarok is recommended for players in the European time zones. Please note this is a recommendation only; players from other regions are free to play on Ragnarok."),

What would the harm be in Square saying the same thing about one other server calling it "Global" or "International"?

90% of the Servers are already Region Labeled (JP or NA/EU), which makes all the Regional Players happy (that's great). What's wrong with designating 1 or 2 Servers as "Global" in an effort to encourage players who *do* want to play with others from around the world to gravitate towards those specific Servers?

This would require NO extra work on Yoshida-san's part; literally it's just adding *1* word of text to the Server Lists.

Thanks.

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* Why would simply adding *one word of text* in the Server List stating that

Server A = International

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Because all servers are international.
Yes its been said 1000 times but its a fact. Even if it says "international" it still has to be located somewhere and end up being listed under either 'group JP' or 'group NA/EU' because those groups are by data center.

There is nothing stopping you from interacting with anyone from any country. Make a character on both NA and JP servers. Especially the legacy servers will still have a community- there isn't going to be a mass exodus off them.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Because all servers are international.
Yes its been said 1000 times but its a fact. Even if it says "international" it still has to be located somewhere and end up being listed under either 'group JP' or 'group NA/EU' because those groups are by data center.

There is nothing stopping you from interacting with anyone from any country. Make a character on both NA and JP servers. Especially the legacy servers will still have a community- there isn't going to be a mass exodus off them.

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Hi Alhanelem,

Yes, yes, I know technically all servers are "international" in that anyone can join any server. But what I've seen on various threads in various places is that the many NA / EU Linkshells / people seem to be set on moving to the new NA/EU Servers (which is fine, it's their prerogative).

I've seen some posts from people saying they don't want to move, but are moving because they're not sure if the JP server they're currently on will have any NA players left on them. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy in some ways:

Some people living in NA/EU see the "NA/EU" label and automatically think, "This must be where ALL the NA/EU players go. OK, I'll go there also." And they leave.

Then others who don't mind playing with players from around the world (International / Global community) see these posts and movement, and think, "Oh wow, I guess 'everyone' that speaks English is moving away. OK, I'll move also..." and then you have near-total segregation of the population.

I'm glad Regional Server fans that want less lag / optimized gameplay can find a server for them! :) But having a single Text Word wouldn't hurt you, would it?

How would it undermine your Regional Server? It wouldn't. It's no skin off your back, right? Thanks.

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Yes, yes, I know technically all servers are "international" in that anyone can join any server. But what I've seen on various threads in various places is that the many NA / EU Linkshells / people seem to be set on moving to the new NA/EU Servers (which is fine, it's their prerogative).

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Various threads in various places do not represent the entire community. The legacy communities will likely remain mostly intact because there's no reason to leave unless everyone else you know is also leaving.

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But having a single Text Word wouldn't hurt you, would it?

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It wouldn't hurt, but it would be a waste. The "international" servers would have a very low population (especially if you're right about people wanting to leave their current server, which I'm not so sure about). These people would then be complaining that there aren't enough players on their server and those that are there will complain that not enough people speak their language / are on at their time.

Putting one "text word" next to a server is not likely to create a strong community and will must likely result in a weaker game experience for the players on that server.

It may seem harmless but it will only work in the most optimal of circumstances under iffy assumptions (e.g. lots of people switching)

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

To Kiara:

The servers are still global. Only the physical location differs. Anyone can join any server at any time. Anyone can in fact join every server technically, as you will be able to create a character on each of them.

We really don't need another thread for this debate.

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28 pages later.. Guess what?

ANOTHER DISCUSSION! :D

shock and horror, I know.

still its the same thread.... for me its 14 pages because i have it set to 20/page.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

shock and horror, I know.

still its the same thread.... for me its 14 pages because i have it set to 20/page.

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7 pages for me.

Glorious 40 per page, Master Race.

this topic is Awesome. It is Hilarious!!

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Various threads in various places do not represent the entire community. The legacy communities will likely remain mostly intact because there's no reason to leave unless everyone else you know is also leaving.

It wouldn't hurt, but it would be a waste. The "international" servers would have a very low population (especially if you're right about people wanting to leave their current server, which I'm not so sure about). These people would then be complaining that there aren't enough players on their server and those that are there will complain that not enough people speak their language / are on at their time.

Putting one "text word" next to a server is not likely to create a strong community and will must likely result in a weaker game experience for the players on that server.

It may seem harmless but it will only work in the most optimal of circumstances under iffy assumptions (e.g. lots of people switching)

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Hi Alhanelem,

Good point about the move. Ultimately, we'll have to see when it launches just how much movement there will be and the fallout, etc.

In terms of just adding one word to a server "Global" or "International," I see your point. But what would you say to Square Enix already doing the very thing we're talking about, except labeling Ragnarok as an ideal server for European players?

It's the same thing in principal, since EU players can play on any server, but Square Enix decided to specifically highlight 1 server for them to try and gather on.

We're just asking for a similar mention for a "Global" community. Thanks. :)

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Originally Posted by Pwnagraphic

28 pages later.. Guess what?

ANOTHER DISCUSSION! :D

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Hi Pwnagraphic,

LOL, I know. Someone necro bumped this thread and then someone else brought up an alternate opinion, so I figured I'd respond to them. :)

The difference between labeling some servers as 'Global' and the 'EU' servers are this:

1. The global servers are still somewhere. So while it might draw in more people who care about playing with the entire world, it will also still be more latent for some than others. That is why it just makes most sense to have the players pick a NA/EU world and unofficially label it 'World Server'. The NA/EU servers naturally cover more cultures and timezones than the JA based ones. SO all you'd need to do is recruit JA and oceanic players to a NA/EU server=problem solved. Also, since we're not forced to join a specific regional server, all servers are Global Servers...the only thing that changed is there are now 2 data centers instead of 1.

2. The EU server mark and why it's not the same.If the 'EU' tagged servers fill up and/or if enough EU players are playing/still having ping problems, it is very easy for SE to transfer those worlds to a New Data Center in the EU should they ever create one. So tagging a handful of servers EU serves a potentially different, forward thinking purpose. (not to mention other perks that are happening now like organizing smaller languages bases in higher concentrations).