Let's talk about bot housing business

You are not in a position to judge anyone with 6 months in Eorzea. Stop playing smart, FFXIV didn't start when you joined. You have no clue what happened here.

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Originally Posted by JulyRiel

You are not in a position to judge anyone with 6 months in Eorzea. Stop playing smart, FFXIV didn't start when you joined. You have no clue what happened here.

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Stormpeaks
Join Date
Jun 2021

Counting is hard

I've fed the troll long enough now tho, getting boring, was entertaining for a while though

I guess we all got an answer to where the billions of "multiowners" gil go. Silence.

I think this case is closed. Everyone can make make their conclusions.

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Originally Posted by JulyRiel

Some facts seem alien to newcomers....300 bids on a medium? Impossible! 400? No way!

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...g-On-Your-Plot

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The most bids i saw on leviathan was 350 bids but its a high pop server that gets locked and congested when a new patch comes out for a period. there is no way houses on dynamis or the new EU servers reach 400+

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Originally Posted by JulyRiel

I guess we all got an answer to where the billions of "multiowners" gil go. Silence.

I think this case is closed. Everyone can make make their conclusions.

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Most of the standard Forum users dont even have the knowledge about the ingame systems to make conclusions on that. Just take a look at the Novice Network when it comes to housing. The Idiots sry I mean Mentors are still providing 4 years old or even older information down the line to Sprouts. Most of them are still clueless about the Purchase Flag, FC Master change, Lottery cycles etc.

And you want those kind of dumb players to make assumptions without any proves and facts? Well just go ahead to ask for it. It just ridicules your real good reasons to make people aware of it.

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Originally Posted by JulyRiel

I guess we all got an answer to where the billions of "multiowners" gil go. Silence.

I think this case is closed. Everyone can make make their conclusions.

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Last time I counted the FCs shown by the OP generated between 25 and 30B but here I am sitting on just over 1B, I am glad you came in this topic and shared us your view on it because I couldn't figure out where all my gil went to.

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Originally Posted by Reddyo

I play on Sagittarius and recently I noticed certain FC wards being completely taken by the very same name, and upon closer inspection I noticed they just have the same TAG, but in fact they have such a boring bot names like "Mists-9-39" or "Beds-5-13" and so on. Only the fact that that entire FC wards are filled with bot FCs is concerning, because about a year ago or so, half of the wards were made FC-only, or.. well.. bots only.


Disclaimer: I tried to do my best to censor the names but also to show offenders, if something is against rules, let me know.

On these two pictures, if posted correctly, we can see two things:
1) Majority of the ward is occupied by bot FCs with the same tag, and pretty much same name with just different number at the end, like proper bots.

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These are not bots. They are individual FCs likely owned by the same person on alt characters. You can't bot the lotto.

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Originally Posted by Reddyo

2) They are not even bothering to hide their botting, with owners literally having words like "Mists-11" or "Vill-12" or "Beds-17" - clearly created with the intention of sniping these plots and then selling them online.

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Again, they are not bots. Multi-ownership is not botting, two completely separate issues. The lotto has effectively killed botting in the housing world.

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Originally Posted by Reddyo

I was curious about these bot FCs and I decided to investigate further, because when I noticed that these FCs are most likely bots, the first thing that came to my mind was selling houses.

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Selling FC houses is a thing, yes, but most likely you're looking at a multi-owner who's either using these FC houses for the workshop, or building a little housing decoration enclave, or both.

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Originally Posted by Reddyo

It haven't took me even 3 minutes, and I managed to google a site that was literally selling the very same houses for disgusting amount of money (literally thousands of dollars). And I am not joking about this. I am not going to post any web or hint you towards such a site, but I would like to make the developers aware of the bot problem and business with their limited housing in their game. I am sure that if there would be and ingame GM like in the old mmos, the kind that interacts with community, they would act against this, but nowaday, this is not the case.

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If this is the case, report it to the Special Task Force. But understand that these RMTers tend not to keep pictures of their actual properties up, many of us have found them in the past to report them this way.

This isn't anything new, plenty of people before you have found this is going on and reported it. Repeatedly.

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Originally Posted by Reddyo

In the end, it might seem ridiculous to spend so much money on a bot house and have no guarantee of ever receiving it, but imagine playing on a server where housing is limited, much like my friend who is desperately trying to get housing for a couple of years, what would these people give to get a Large house on the their server?

With that, I would propose a simple solution: Give a task to some of your GMs to check the housing areas, it's so simple to spot these - they are literally FCs called by the plot name, so they are easy and clear to sell... Why do you have the GMs in the game? To sort problems of course! Sort the problem then, and get rid of these bots out of your limited housing-

I know there are bots in every game, but this is so obvious it's almost offensive, and because the developers don't care, I feel like it's my responsibility as a player to notice them about it.

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The problem with this is simply that there are many players out there who do own multiple FC houses who aren't doing anything related to RMT with them. Workshops/RP spaces/housing décor. It's almost impossible for a GM to discern who is doing what with a property. And as multiownership does not violate the ToS, GMs hands are tied. Not to mention they do not touch anything to do with RMT, that's the Special Task Force's wheelhouse and theirs alone.

If you feel this is possible RMT, report it to the STF on the website, otherwise, well... nothing to see here. Just someone using houses in a way you don't approve.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

This tbh, a lot of people have absolutely terrible taste as well, paissa houses, carbuncles,gingerbreads,chocobo.. ruining entire neighborhoods for everyone that tries to make their house look good and fitting to the theme.

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You can't really "ruin" a neighborhood using what SE designed - working as intended.

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Originally Posted by JulyRiel

Some facts seem alien to newcomers....300 bids on a medium? Impossible! 400? No way!

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...g-On-Your-Plot

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Did not happen on Spriggan.

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Originally Posted by JulyRiel

Read first and then answer. I never spoke of plot 41 smart @ss. And the relevance of when joined Eorzea is huge cause it means you may not have experienced the housing savage after wow refugees flooded Eorzea, before Sagi and Phantom opening brought some sort of relief, even temporarily.

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You just lost any and all credibility with this one.

Sorry.

Unless you want to claim that you're talking about some EU world other than Spriggan or Twintania?

What's with the complete rando showing up and acting like they're tough shit and then disappearing???

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Originally Posted by SweetEquity

You can't really "ruin" a neighborhood using what SE designed - working as intended.

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I am not talking about the fact it was implemented, I am talking about the feel of the ward.

When you have an entire ward full of shiro castles, nanpu skins, mokuzo, kura zukuri, half timbers or whatever else really that is sort of or fully on theme, and then some dude swoops in the middle of all the nicely made houses and puts a bright bloody red or bright pink gingerbread house, I am very sorry but it does ruin the neighborhood yes.

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Originally Posted by Karious

What's with the complete rando showing up and acting like they're tough shit and then disappearing???

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I'm sure that person was an alt tbh, either of OP or one of archeron's buddies

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Originally Posted by Karious

What's with the complete rando showing up and acting like they're tough shit and then disappearing???

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I'm pretty sure it's the OP just playing profile roulette.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

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Discord?

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Originally Posted by WinglessSeraphim

I'm pretty sure it's the OP just playing profile roulette.



Discord?

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Atleast you are sure. You can click on me and check my characters xd Another troll like stormpeaks

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Originally Posted by Reddyo

Atleast you are sure. You can click on me and check my characters xd Another troll like stormpeaks

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Are you a bot?

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Originally Posted by Reddyo

Atleast you are sure. You can click on me and check my characters xd Another troll like stormpeaks

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Click on me and tell me the names of all my characters. I'm curious about this.

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Originally Posted by Reddyo

Atleast you are sure. You can click on me and check my characters xd Another troll like stormpeaks

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I'm quite sure yes. No, I don't need to click on your characters to know. Like bot, you don't know what troll means either.

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Originally Posted by Reddyo

Atleast you are sure. You can click on me and check my characters xd Another troll like stormpeaks

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Beep bop beep bop

"Everyone I dislike is a bot and a troll" - Reddyo 2023

I'd saw owning more than a few is unnecessary and greedy at best since there's only so many houses and someone who would utilize it looses out to another that owns many. People that have like half a ward, or multiple wards make it smell like rmt tho, regardless of if you disagree with me, but most I know would follow the same thought process.

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Originally Posted by Etterna

I'd saw owning more than a few is unnecessary and greedy at best since there's only so many houses and someone who would utilize it looses out to another that owns many. People that have like half a ward, or multiple wards make it smell like rmt tho, regardless of if you disagree with me, but most I know would follow the same thought process.

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Another wow token enjoyer here, gottem boys

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Originally Posted by Etterna

I'd saw owning more than a few is unnecessary and greedy at best since there's only so many houses and someone who would utilize it looses out to another that owns many. People that have like half a ward, or multiple wards make it smell like rmt tho, regardless of if you disagree with me, but most I know would follow the same thought process.

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It's a video game, being greedy is fine, also "unnecessary" is according to you.

Also FYI, "someone would utilize it", submariners use their house too, they make bank out of submarines from it, sounds like good use to me.

QUOTE=Homeless_was_taken;6314200]Another wow token enjoyer here, gottem boys[/QUOTE]

Ive not played wow so no, i would not be a wow token enjoyer.

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Originally Posted by AlexiaD

It's a video game, being greedy is fine, also "unnecessary" is according to you.

Also FYI, "someone would utilize it", submariners use their house too, they make bank out of submarines from it, sounds like good use to me.

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When I say utilize it I mean letting someone else utilize the housing system. If I own 10 personals, I'd be preventing 9 others from being able to use them personally

If someone worked their butt off to get multiple houses, then they earned them. Sucks for people who missed out but you snooze you lose.

14163 open plots on chaos, damn multi-owners! I can't win a private house ;;

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Originally Posted by Karious

If someone worked their butt off to get multiple houses, then they earned them. Sucks for people who missed out but you snooze you lose.

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This is all that needs to be said tbh.

Also in response to Etterna again, I play for myself, I dont play for others, I'm not preventing anyone either for a simple reason, there is housing for literally everybody.

If I were to use the same logic that "a poster or two here" are using, I would come to the following conclusions:

- All people who cleared P12S and TOP must be botting or cheating. I can't get through Phase 1, so nobody should ever be able to do so legitimately.
- People who collected Triple Triad cards must be botting or cheating. I can't understand that thing well, and I just keep losing, so others must be up to no good.
- People who got Saint of the Firmament in Ishgard must be botting or cheating. I couldn't even finish an expert craft and I never figured out how, so why can others?
- People who have the Big Fish title must be cheating. I was never able to catch Cinder Surprise or Ruby Dragon, so the players who got them clearly manipulated the RNG in their favor.

I could go on and on, but I'd run out of valuable time at this rate.

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Originally Posted by ThisIsHanji

If I were to use the same logic that "a poster or two here" are using, I would come to the following conclusions:

- All people who cleared P12S and TOP must be botting or cheating. I can't get through Phase 1, so nobody should ever be able to do so legitimately.
- People who collected Triple Triad cards must be botting or cheating. I can't understand that thing well, and I just keep losing, so others must be up to no good.
- People who got Saint of the Firmament in Ishgard must be botting or cheating. I couldn't even finish an expert craft and I never figured out how, so why can others?
- People who have the Big Fish title must be cheating. I was never able to catch Cinder Surprise or Ruby Dragon, so the players who got them clearly manipulated the RNG in their favor.

I could go on and on, but I'd run out of valuable time at this rate.

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I was just about to come in and say this exact same thing. (Also hey Hanji!)

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Originally Posted by ThisIsHanji

If I were to use the same logic that "a poster or two here" are using, I would come to the following conclusions:

- All people who cleared P12S and TOP must be botting or cheating. I can't get through Phase 1, so nobody should ever be able to do so legitimately.
- People who collected Triple Triad cards must be botting or cheating. I can't understand that thing well, and I just keep losing, so others must be up to no good.
- People who got Saint of the Firmament in Ishgard must be botting or cheating. I couldn't even finish an expert craft and I never figured out how, so why can others?
- People who have the Big Fish title must be cheating. I was never able to catch Cinder Surprise or Ruby Dragon, so the players who got them clearly manipulated the RNG in their favor.

I could go on and on, but I'd run out of valuable time at this rate.

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- And what are collectors doing with so many mounts and minions? There's only one use for them and that's selling their account.

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Originally Posted by Etterna

When I say utilize it I mean letting someone else utilize the housing system. If I own 10 personals, I'd be preventing 9 others from being able to use them personally

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Balmung

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Originally Posted by AlexiaD

Beep bop beep bop

"Everyone I dislike is a bot and a troll" - Reddyo 2023

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That seems to be what happens a lot in the forums where if you disagree with someone or if someone doesn't like you then suddenly they think your a titanmen alt or a bot

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Originally Posted by Etterna

I'd saw owning more than a few is unnecessary and greedy at best since there's only so many houses and someone who would utilize it looses out to another that owns many. People that have like half a ward, or multiple wards make it smell like rmt tho, regardless of if you disagree with me, but most I know would follow the same thought process.

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Owning personals is restricted to 1 per world. There are relatively few people who own more than 1 personal house now, and the number is slowly dwindling due to attrition. This is a red herring.

Edit: You can't own more than 8 houses on a World anyway. Hyperbole falls flat.

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Originally Posted by AlexiaD

Beep bop beep bop

"Everyone I dislike is a bot and a troll" - Reddyo 2023

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That's a hot take

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Originally Posted by Reinha

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Everyone on Balmung is guilty.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

- And what are collectors doing with so many mounts and minions? There's only one use for them and that's selling their account.



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Balmung

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It's not my fault I wanted to play on a populated world and square doesn't scale wards with server pop. The whole reason I refuse to give my alts house up is either I wait till the new expansion when there's only a few bids at most on smalls, or deal with what are usually hundreds of bids on them and lose what I got with no competition on the plot.

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Originally Posted by Etterna

It's not my fault I wanted to play on a populated world and square doesn't scale wards with server pop. The whole reason I refuse to give my alts house up is either I wait till the new expansion when there's only a few bids at most on smalls, or deal with what are usually hundreds of bids on them and lose what I got with no competition on the plot.

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That's on you tho, not on SE

Dynamis is wide open with thousands of houses.

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Originally Posted by Etterna

It's not my fault I wanted to play on a populated world and square doesn't scale wards with server pop. The whole reason I refuse to give my alts house up is either I wait till the new expansion when there's only a few bids at most on smalls, or deal with what are usually hundreds of bids on them and lose what I got with no competition on the plot.

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Blaming square enix for you wanting to play on the most populated server and not being able to get a house is really on you when you choose to play on a server with a high population. If people didnt care more about wanting to play on a server with high number and care so much about housing there are low pop servers with lots of housing still and can make use of datacenter travel.

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Originally Posted by Etterna

It's not my fault I wanted to play on a populated world and square doesn't scale wards with server pop. The whole reason I refuse to give my alts house up is either I wait till the new expansion when there's only a few bids at most on smalls, or deal with what are usually hundreds of bids on them and lose what I got with no competition on the plot.

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I was not criticizing where you choose to play or how many houses you own. Your argument is that "owning more than a few is unnecessary and greedy at best since there's only so many houses and someone who would utilize it looses out to another that owns many". That doesn't apply to the majority of servers anymore. Balmung players are notorious for portraying their high population server experience as the norm when it comes to housing and this thread is no exception.

Let me show you what an fc ward looks like on a normal server that's been around since ARR. Does it look like people are being denied housing? I've had no neighbors for 7 months. On most servers there are enough fc houses that taking 1 or 8 or a whole damn ward has zero effect on the people looking for personals.

https://i.postimg.cc/zBNwvnSw/ffxiv-...022850-267.png

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Originally Posted by Etterna

It's not my fault I wanted to play on a populated world and square doesn't scale wards with server pop. The whole reason I refuse to give my alts house up is either I wait till the new expansion when there's only a few bids at most on smalls, or deal with what are usually hundreds of bids on them and lose what I got with no competition on the plot.

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Choices come with consequences. You made your choice. Now you get to deal with the consequences.

While I want to see the system improved, it's hard to be sympathetic with those who won't take the necessary action to get what they want. You could have had a house on Dynamis and still used data center travel to play on Balmung or Gilgamesh or whichever NA world caught your fancy.

You decided the house wasn't important enough to you.

In the meantime, I have a nice large on Marilith that I got with zero competition and I use data center travel when there's need (mostly to buy cheap crafting mats but occasionally for things like hunt trains). Unless the Xbox release swamps Dynamis with new players, I'm going to have a nice time at 7.0 launch playing the game while others are sitting in log-in queues.

Also you're dreaming if you think there will only be a few bids even on smalls when the expansion gets released. That's when the population explodes and demand for houses increases.

Everyone wants to come play on Balmung and then throw a fit when there's no available houses on the server. There's plenty of other servers to go get houses on and you can simply world visit balmung like all the other ERP tourists do.

I hope they split servers off of Crystal or Aether and put them on Dynamis as a way to spread the server load lol

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Originally Posted by Oizen

I hope they split servers off of Crystal or Aether and put them on Dynamis as a way to spread the server load lol

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Yeah, no. I'm not willing to have my server transferred to your DC just because your DC failed. There's a reason why they didn't do that this time. (unlike in the past with other new DCs) It absolutely sucks having your server moved.

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Originally Posted by Oizen

Yeah thats why I want to see it happen.

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Why don't we move Marilith to Aether then? Maybe we can give the others to Crystal/Primal. Just dissolve your entire dead DC lmao

(or maybe don't because that'd be just as stupid as moving a world to Dynamis in the first place)