Mods and cheat engine

I like how it's mainly catgirls and lizardgirls who get mad when people talk about finding countermeasures to their hacked chairsit and doze emotes.

you're saying this as a miera, who've had the hottest takes on the OF by a far margin lately...

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Originally Posted by Shougun

I understand maybe for some people this isn't helpful. I said it in the other thread but for sake of this one too.

This concept DOES help me, when I played WoW DBM (and other like tools) made me a better player while also having to give less effort (meaning technically more could be expected without going out of the comfort zone).

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The primary difference is that World of Warcraft's approach to encounter design evolved over the years to reflect the proliferation of addons like DBM, which the developers fully support through their API.

FFXIV on the other hand is not designed with these addons in mind, provides no official support for them, and actively encourages players not to use them under threat of a ban.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

I understand maybe for some people this isn't helpful. I said it in the other thread but for sake of this one too.

This concept DOES help me, when I played WoW DBM (and other like tools) made me a better player while also having to give less effort (meaning technically more could be expected without going out of the comfort zone).

Maybe for some it's not that useful or is similar to reading a guide, from my personal perspective it will make some players better while also making them have to work less hard.

I think that is substantial, I'm not really calling a ban for it-- I just want the conversation to be more honest. I feel some are exaggerating the evils of some of the more popular tools and others are acting like they do nothing at all. Neither of those seem right to me. If you're playing better in my group because of this tool... that's nice for me lol, but experience from WoW I say that the tool discussed would absolutely allow me to play better with less info. I'd respond faster, more accurately, and more consistently. IE, better. Which 'could' have an impact on how hard SE thinks they need to make stuff, or make people asking for harder things because they've a tool helping them... and if they want it harder it's a bit weird given they're having Navi whisper in their ear on how to play best while other players don't get that.

It wouldn't bother me if the tool was baked right into the game official, but I do strongly believe the tool has an impact on some players presented skill levels and may also likely have an actual indirect impact on the devs (though it is of course important to note some people are so into playing good that the tool is useless, you know those people who call out the entire raid while also playing perfectly). Of course if you don't have the agility for the responsive nature then having more info probably wont help lol, also as people know- can have an expert call out player but if people don't actually listen it wont help.. So it's not a magic bullet, but I'd at least call it a solid modifier for many people (x2 to output, so long as your output isn't 0, and you're not already well beyond and above requirements-- can be very useful).

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I feel like the bottom line with Cactbot is that if it's using packet reading to provide players with information faster then the game itself does normally (Generally via reading hidden casts from entities that don't show up on your enmity list or in your combat log or isolating which variant of an ambiguous mechanic like Optical Sight is being used before the tell actually appears), that's kind of indefensibly cheating.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I feel like the bottom line with Cactbot is that if it's using packet reading to provide players with information faster then the game itself does normally (Generally via reading hidden casts from entities that don't show up on your enmity list or in your combat log or isolating which variant of an ambiguous mechanic like Optical Sight is being used before the tell actually appears), that's kind of indefensibly cheating.

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I think if it's not causing any problems, and people find it useful thats fine. I think players should learn to play with out these tools as it is more fun. But if it does make your game experience better go for it but be aware it is against ToS so don't talk about using it.
Players that are against it need to grow up. It does not harm you, until some one says you need cactpot or x mod to join this group, it is not an issue. Since there is a huge amount of people that want to tattle tell on every player for the most petty reasons, and because it is against the ToS, it likely will not become an issue. If is not your job to enforce the ToS it is SE's job. Glad some of you out there like to work for free.

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

because it is against the ToS

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That’s all that needs to be said. There are reasons behind rules

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

I think if it's not causing any problems, and people find it useful thats fine. I think players should learn to play with out these tools as it is more fun. But if it does make your game experience better go for it but be aware it is against ToS so don't talk about using it.
Players that are against it need to grow up. It does not harm you, until some one says you need cactpot or x mod to join this group, it is not an issue. Since there is a huge amount of people that want to tattle tell on every player for the most petty reasons, and because it is against the ToS, it likely will not become an issue. If is not your job to enforce the ToS it is SE's job. Glad some of you out there like to work for free.

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The argument of "it doesn't affect you, therefore you shouldn't care" is subjective.

Some people don't like the value of difficult/prestigious achievements being cheapened by people cheating using bots and other third party programs and telling them to "grow up" is about as immature as you're insinuating they are for disliking it.

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

That’s all that needs to be said. There are reasons behind rules

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It is still illegal to spit on the side walk in SC. It is still a law that you can be hung for stealing a horse.
It is still legal to beat your wife in front of a church on a Sunday with a stick no thicker than your thumb.
Thats nice, its part of ToS, there are also of laws the exist that aren't enforced today too.. But people move on and ignore it.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

The argument of "it doesn't affect you, therefore you shouldn't care" is subjective.

Some people don't like the value of difficult/prestigious achievements being cheapened by people cheating using bots and other third party programs and telling them to "grow up" is about as immature as you're insinuating they are for disliking it.

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I think you should grow up, it's a video game and you aren't world first. And if you were world first, these mods would not be assisting you as they are not up to date at the time of release.

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

Blah blah

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As I said, rules exist for a reason. I personally believe everyone should be playing on an equal and fair field. These mods and add-ons don’t allow for the that. Keep defending them all you want but you yourself admitted they are bad with the justification of: doesn’t effect you, grow up, not your job.

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

As I said, rules exist for a reason. I personally believe everyone should be playing on an equal and fair field. These mods and add-ons don’t allow for the that. Keep defending them all you want but you yourself admitted they are bad with the justification of: doesn’t effect you, grow up, not your job.

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I never said they were bad. I said x was more fun than y. As far as it's usage, I don't care it does not affect me. And if a party requires cactbot I likely won't join like if a party requires x dps. From my experience the worst players rely on crutches. The more limited the party the more it means you are looking for carry. Play the game the way you chose, don't let others control the way you play.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I feel like the bottom line with Cactbot is that if it's using packet reading to provide players with information faster then the game itself does normally (Generally via reading hidden casts from entities that don't show up on your enmity list or in your combat log or isolating which variant of an ambiguous mechanic like Optical Sight is being used before the tell actually appears), that's kind of indefensibly cheating.

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It is technically cheating but the impact of it is pretty low since all those mechanics are designed to be doable without things like cactbot, meaning if you know a fight yourself you will have enough time to adjust. What you are cheating with cactbot is learning process, not the end result.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

Some people don't like the value of difficult/prestigious achievements being cheapened by people cheating using bots and other third party programs and telling them to "grow up" is about as immature as you're insinuating they are for disliking it.

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... No ?

Nobody gives a damn what you do with your playtime, why would you care what I do with mine ? Then again, everything others do do NOT affect your gameplay, your titles, or whatever. Just let go of it.

Half of the legend titles have been bought for years now, and every legit legend I know doesn't care. As usual, midcores are where the issue lies.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

Some people don't like the value of difficult/prestigious achievements being cheapened by people cheating using bots and other third party programs and telling them to "grow up" is about as immature as you're insinuating they are for disliking it.

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Hate to break it to you, but it's not just your game. Everyone pays a sub to be here and has the right to play the game how they see fit. Why should someone else getting the same achievement as you in a different way dampen the pride and good feelings you feel from yours? It shouldn't lol. What someone else does with their game really shouldn't affect you at all unless it physically disrupts your gameplay to the point you're getting kicked from the server at a constant rate from hacking/DDoSing.

Its MMO game, imagine working your ass to get cool glam/archievement for weeks of not months. Then another mod user gets it in one day using some helper tool, are you happy about that? Much proud?
Its not single player game, anything you do and get is reflected in the game and on other players. MMOs should be equal ground for everyone, not "i am just cheating a bit, what a big deal, it doesnt affect you" bullshit.

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Originally Posted by Koldan

Its MMO game, imagine working your ass to get cool glam/archievement for weeks of not months. Then another mod user gets it in one day using some helper tool, are you happy about that? Much proud?
Its not single player game, anything you do and get is reflected in the game and on other players. MMOs should be equal ground for everyone, not "i am just cheating a bit, what a big deal, it doesnt affect you" bullshit.

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I'm not proud of them for using that, I might even tell them they should do it the legit way... But if they don't want to enjoy the walk there, opposite to me who CAME for the walk, why would I care ? I really feel like I'm repeating myself, but that MAY be because y'all are.

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Originally Posted by ArcaviusGreyashe

... No ?

Nobody gives a damn what you do with your playtime, why would you care what I do with mine ? Then again, everything others do do NOT affect your gameplay, your titles, or whatever. Just let go of it.

Half of the legend titles have been bought for years now, and every legit legend I know doesn't care. As usual, midcores are where the issue lies.

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Same reason why people care if you take drugs when you run for the Olympics. But hey i mean why do they care it's my body!

Ofc most stuff doesn't affect others, i get that. But where it does it is kinda shitty. Like pvp etc. and yeah even ultimates.

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Originally Posted by Koldan

Its MMO game, imagine working your ass to get cool glam/archievement for weeks of not months. Then another mod user gets it in one day using some helper tool, are you happy about that? Much proud?
Its not single player game, anything you do and get is reflected in the game and on other players. MMOs should be equal ground for everyone, not "i am just cheating a bit, what a big deal, it doesnt affect you" bullshit.

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I don't care my experience in the game trumps others IMO

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

Same reason why people care if you take drugs when you run for the Olympics. But hey i mean why do they care it's my body!

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Yeah, but there's only one gold medal per four year. Meanwhile there will always be legend titles to be "earned", whatever the way.

Plus, I haven't heard of any addons that does anything in pvp. I even went ouf of my way to check if the triple triad solver can be used to abuse triple triad tournaments, and it is disabled in a PvP setting. Surely you can make it work if you modify things in the code of it, but it is designed for PvE only. Regarding feast or frontline... As I said, I haven't heard of any plugin that does anything in that context. They may exist, but it's certainly not what we're discussing here.

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Originally Posted by ArcaviusGreyashe

Plus, I haven't heard of any addons that does anything in pvp.

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Couple of seasons ago some kind of 3rd party programs became very obnoxious and wide spread in Feast. Every physical ranged player interrupted enemies melee/ranged LB's within 0,001s of cast each time. Like the animation even didn't start for them before the LB got cancelled by a player using external programs to silence it for them.

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Originally Posted by Nanne

Couple of seasons ago some kind of 3rd party programs became very obnoxious and wide spread in Feast. Every physical ranged player interrupted enemies melee/ranged LB's within 0,001s of cast each time. Like the animation even didn't start for them before the LB got cancelled by a player using external programs to silence it for them.

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I didn't know about that, and yes, that's an issue. These (as in addons that make things easier for you) shouldn't exist in a PvP setting. I'm not sure how SE can fix that, though, except by banning cheaters, which is probably how it ended anyway.

My point remains for everything PvE.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

Same reason why people care if you take drugs when you run for the Olympics. But hey i mean why do they care it's my body!

Ofc most stuff doesn't affect others, i get that. But where it does it is kinda shitty. Like pvp etc. and yeah even ultimates.

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Are we really comparin plugins to drug use?

How did we get here?

I can understand pvp (The real issue in pvp content isn't even plugins btw, but people manipulating Feast ranks by in game means like, afking on the side for example) but ultimates or other PvE content is where you lose me. You can easily just make your own static and require everyone be plugin-free?

All those 3rd party tools just devalues archievements of people, you went out of your way to get certain item/archivement/title and others just cheated their way through? Are you proud of your archivement now? As one of the guys said "i dont care about others, MY gameplay is whats important" is mentality that gets us here. It has zero business to be in multiplayer game, pve or pvp.
Its same shitty people how play monster hunter rise with cheats, one shotting monsters in coop. "whats a big deal"? if you dont understand whats the deal you are either stupid or just dishonest with yourself.

I get that I shouldn't let cheaters suck the joy out of my hard-earned achievements, but I can't help but feel it like it's a slap in the face whenever I run into someone using a bot to grind a difficult and/or time-consuming achievement like big fishing or the pteradactyl from Firmament points; moreso if they're clout chasers who strut around with their fancy title/mount like they're hot stuff when they didn't lift a finger to get it.

Is it really so terrible to expect/want people to put in a fair, honest effort in getting things done? Cause a lot of people certainly seem to think that's the case.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I get that I shouldn't let cheaters suck the joy out of my hard-earned achievements, but I can't help but feel it like it's a slap in the face whenever I run into someone using a bot to grind a difficult and/or time-consuming achievement like big fishing or the pteradactyl from Firmament points; moreso if they're clout chasers who strut around with their fancy title/mount like they're hot stuff when they didn't lift a finger to get it.

Is it really so terrible to expect/want people to put in a fair, honest effort in getting things done? Cause a lot of people certainly seem to think that's the case.

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I think most people agree botting is bad.

What loses sympathy is when people advocate for nuclear options against those who downloaded a mod to make their character's eyes look better or get more glamour plates. If people didn't lump in the benign stuff with hardcore hacking I think many more people would agree.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I get that I shouldn't let cheaters suck the joy out of my hard-earned achievements, but I can't help but feel it like it's a slap in the face whenever I run into someone using a bot to grind a difficult and/or time-consuming achievement like big fishing or the pteradactyl from Firmament points; moreso if they're clout chasers who strut around with their fancy title/mount like they're hot stuff when they didn't lift a finger to get it.

Is it really so terrible to expect/want people to put in a fair, honest effort in getting things done? Cause a lot of people certainly seem to think that's the case.

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Nope and it's a valid sentiment. Knowing that others get the same as you due botting/cheating/paying real cash remove a needed sense of fairness.

Have to say I love how some downplay the whole thing pointing to no issues like a cactpop solver.

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Originally Posted by Koldan

All those 3rd party tools just devalues archievements of people, you went out of your way to get certain item/archivement/title and others just cheated their way through? Are you proud of your archivement now? As one of the guys said "i dont care about others, MY gameplay is whats important" is mentality that gets us here. It has zero business to be in multiplayer game, pve or pvp.
Its same shitty people how play monster hunter rise with cheats, one shotting monsters in coop. "whats a big deal"? if you dont understand whats the deal you are either stupid or just dishonest with yourself.

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Yes, yes I am still proud of what I achieved. No cheater can take that away from me because I did those savage fights for myself, to have fun overcoming them. I'm sorry all you look for is bragging rights. All you have ever fought for will eventually become watered down because more people do it, better strats get developed, new gear gets brought into the game. Are you really having fun doing savage or ultimate? Are you really having fun playing monster hunter? Or is all your enjoyment coming from bragging and feeling superior to someone else?

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I get that I shouldn't let cheaters suck the joy out of my hard-earned achievements, but I can't help but feel it like it's a slap in the face whenever I run into someone using a bot to grind a difficult and/or time-consuming achievement like big fishing or the pteradactyl from Firmament points; moreso if they're clout chasers who strut around with their fancy title/mount like they're hot stuff when they didn't lift a finger to get it.

Is it really so terrible to expect/want people to put in a fair, honest effort in getting things done? Cause a lot of people certainly seem to think that's the case.

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But is it worth it trying to crack down on all third party programs for that? Fighting against cheaters is often times a futile effort and even the most aggressive anti cheat softwares will still let a lot of cheaters through. Effort that could be spent on more meaningful projects. A lot of third party programs offer solutions to problems the devs cant/wont solve like machinist not being playable at high ping.
There's always going to be clowns who think they're the hot shit, I think the best way to go about it is to just judge people based on how they behave and play instead of what they brag about with. We put far too much notice on titles and medals instead of the path that got us there. If someone is worth interacting with, it will become clear soon enough.

Honestly someone doing nothing else but bragging about titles makes it really quick to find out if they are worth interacting with.

So now we are on "cheaters are fine, its about how YOU feel about it" stage? Seriously? All gameplay affecting stuff SHOULD be disabled on developers lvl. Noone cares if your modded dress on your screen look different, but how you make invisible telegraphs appear on your screen with 3rd party software? Software calls out mechanics from you because you cant encrypt network packets thats also fine? How we remove intended animation lock form some abilities so you can tripple weave since some mysterious jp server dveller is supposed to be able to do it? Where do we stop with that crap?
I dont say we should ban people for using ffxivalexander or something. They just should make game fair for everyone.

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Originally Posted by Koldan

So now we are on "cheaters are fine, its about how YOU feel about it" stage? Seriously? All gameplay affecting stuff SHOULD be disabled on developers lvl. Noone cares if your modded dress on your screen look different, but how you make invisible telegraphs appear on your screen with 3rd party software? Software calls out mechanics from you because you cant encrypt network packets thats also fine? How we remove intended animation lock form some abilities so you can tripple weave since some mysterious jp server dveller is supposed to be able to do it? Where do we stop with that crap?
I dont say we should ban people for using ffxivalexander or something. They just should make game fair for everyone.

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My question is to you is what about people that use them to help them play, if they have disabilities?

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Originally Posted by Koldan

So now we are on "cheaters are fine, its about how YOU feel about it" stage? Seriously? All gameplay affecting stuff SHOULD be disabled on developers lvl. Noone cares if your modded dress on your screen look different, but how you make invisible telegraphs appear on your screen with 3rd party software? Software calls out mechanics from you because you cant encrypt network packets thats also fine? How we remove intended animation lock form some abilities so you can tripple weave since some mysterious jp server dveller is supposed to be able to do it? Where do we stop with that crap?
I dont say we should ban people for using ffxivalexander or something. They just should make game fair for everyone.

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You seem to be under the impression that having a working anti cheat software is just as easy as flipping the light switch on and off. It's not, CoD warzone is employing kernel level anti cheat software and it still fails regularly at preventing cheaters. Cheats are a massive arm's race, one that's not worth getting into in a game that's not pvp focus'd and not relying on f2p economics.
Also, what do you consider fair? Is blind progging the whole tier on the same level as just looking up every strat? Is it fair that i get to brag with my e12s mount despite not having to figure out any of the relativities? Is it fair that people can just do old savage fights unsync'd and do strats like goodbye world?
Let me ask you again, what do you find fun about savage, ultimate or any other difficult content in any game you play?

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Also, what do you consider fair? Is blind progging the whole tier on the same level as just looking up every strat? Is it fair that i get to brag with my e12s mount despite not having to figure out any of the relativities? Is it fair that people can just do old savage fights unsync'd and do strats like goodbye world?

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I mean, using a guide or un-syncing a fight isn't explicitly against the terms of service, and doesn't involve automating portions of the game. It's pretty easy to see that their definition of fair is probably something like "Not using an explicitly banned cheat program to gain an advantage".

The only thing I really care about is if developers start balancing content and classes around players having low ping and callout mods installed, and they become mandatory to clear content. Luckily even ACT and parsing isn't mandatory outside of some idiots in PF who take practice and clear parties too seriously.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

I mean, using a guide or un-syncing a fight isn't explicitly against the terms of service, and doesn't involve automating portions of the game. It's pretty easy to see that their definition of fair is probably something like "Not using an explicitly banned cheat program to gain an advantage".

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Morals inform what is fair and what isnt, laws/rules dont do a good job at that. Unsyncing often times cuts off massive portions of fights. When I farmed o12s for the mount we never got to see hello world 2, yet I have the mount all the same. Outgearing the fight is an insanely unfair advantage over those who did the fight when it came out and you get to show of mounts and achievements anyway. Additionally, they seem to be fine with people using alexander to solve ping issues. That's an "explicitly banned cheat program" as you put it. It's just also the same program used to reduce animation lock to 0 to allow triple weaving without clipping if someone chose to go that route. Clearly we have moved beyond being a TOS herald and therefore we have to ask, what is fair?

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Morals inform what is fair and what isnt, laws/rules dont do a good job at that. Unsyncing often times cuts off massive portions of fights. When I farmed o12s for the mount we never got to see hello world 2, yet I have the mount all the same. Outgearing the fight is an insanely unfair advantage over those who did the fight when it came out and you get to show of mounts and achievements anyway. Additionally, they seem to be fine with people using alexander to solve ping issues. That's an "explicitly banned cheat program" as you put it. It's just also the same program used to reduce animation lock to 0 to allow triple weaving without clipping if someone chose to go that route. Clearly we have moved beyond being a TOS herald and therefore we have to ask, what is fair?

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XIVAlexander is used by people who don't even have serious ping issues because it allows them to send series' of normally impossible inputs by emulating an impossible game-state, so yeah it's also essentially a cheat program.

Really, it's not that complex of an issue at all. If a third party piece of software is offering active assistance with fight execution by doing something that would be impossible under normal circumstances, it's very easy to see why it's cheating. Even more-so when it's very explicitly prohibited by the rules created by the developers of the game.

You could make reasonable fairness argument around simple QoL plugins, graphical mods or combat loggers, but when it comes to things like Cactbot and XIVAlexander it's pretty black-and-white.

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Originally Posted by Koldan

So now we are on "cheaters are fine, its about how YOU feel about it" stage? Seriously?

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Yes, we are. Because it's something you do on your free time to feel good about yourself. Gaming is self-care. And you're the one that transforms that self-care into stress by looking at what others do and have, and being jealous, not that they have more, but that they have the same. You're the only reason you feel bad about them having said mounts and titles. If those are that important to you, you should just seek help. FFXIV is a game, you can be proud of what you achieve, proud of what you build with people, but if something becomes so offsetting to you even though it doesn't affect your achievements, nor makes it more difficult for you to do your things, you have a toxic relationship with the game.

And it's a big "you", there seem to be many such cases around here.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

XIVAlexander is used by people who don't even have serious ping issues because it allows them to send series' of normally impossible inputs by emulating an impossible game-state, so yeah it's also essentially a cheat program.

Really, it's not that complex of an issue at all. If a third party piece of software is offering active assistance with fight execution by doing something that would be impossible under normal circumstances, it's very easy to see why it's cheating. Even more-so when it's very explicitly prohibited by the rules created by the developers of the game.

You could make reasonable fairness argument around simple QoL plugins, graphical mods or combat loggers, but when it comes to things like Cactbot and XIVAlexander it's pretty black-and-white.

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Why did you answer for the person I asked in the way that you did when they themselves said that people shouldnt be banned for using xivalexander. I am not getting the impression you have actually read what they wrote.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

The only thing I really care about is if developers start balancing content and classes around players having low ping and callout mods installed, and they become mandatory to clear content. Luckily even ACT and parsing isn't mandatory outside of some idiots in PF who take practice and clear parties too seriously.

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I mean, they already design classes assuming you will have low ping. Just look at MCH!

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Originally Posted by ArcaviusGreyashe

Yes, we are. Because it's something you do on your free time to feel good about yourself. Gaming is self-care. And you're the one that transforms that self-care into stress by looking at what others do and have, and being jealous, not that they have more, but that they have the same. You're the only reason you feel bad about them having said mounts and titles. If those are that important to you, you should just seek help. FFXIV is a game, you can be proud of what you achieve, proud of what you build with people, but if something becomes so offsetting to you even though it doesn't affect your achievements, nor makes it more difficult for you to do your things, you have a toxic relationship with the game.

And it's a big "you", there seem to be many such cases around here.

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Ah, so then by that sentiment, all the people cheating in PVP, using mods to insta-holmgang someone the instant they hit sprint, or insta-bind any time you use a jump skill, or make it so they do not get affected by crowd control skills, or be able to hit you from halfway across the map, are just doing self-care and it's a "me" problem for thinking that ruins my gameplay. /s

You continue to be willfully ignorant about the negative impact mods and plug-ins have on other people. Shows how self-centred you are.

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Originally Posted by MaxCarnage

Ah, so then by that sentiment, all the people cheating in PVP, using mods to insta-holmgang someone the instant they hit sprint, or insta-bind any time you use a jump skill, or make it so they do not get affected by crowd control skills, or be able to hit you from halfway across the map, are just doing self-care and it's a "me" problem for thinking that ruins my gameplay. /s

You continue to be willfully ignorant about the negative impact mods and plug-ins have on other people. Shows how self-centred you are.

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I'm not aware of any mods that offer these advantages in PvP. Feels like you're just making stuff up at this point.

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

I mean, they already design classes assuming you will have low ping. Just look at MCH!

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Which has nothing to do with any of the ping tools, but is the default state of every ISP. It's not normal to have 100+ ms ping. So why would any developer actively develop for such cases, when it's more common to have 10-60 ms ping?

If gaming is about self care how about you self care in some single player game and stop ruining integrity of multiplayer experience of an mmo. I am not arguing anti cheat neither i am arguing banning people outright. But its always online game thats server based, all that software just reads and delays/sends faster network packets. Its not rocket science to encrypt packets and if client sends them in unsupported ways to outright disconnect a person.