Current EX trial completed without Healers

As they want to be so inclusive to all types of players with different level of skill, I guess then can't go overboard with incoming damage as you guys say.

Even randomizing the incoming damage so it isnt as predictable is something they are clearly going away from. That is actually what I personally found the most fun when healing in other MMOs or in PVP - you are always on your toes and sometimes need to heal very quickly out of nowhere. This just isn't happening here in PVE sadly. Especially new fights are 100% predictable, for example compared to Leviathan extreme the damage was 'kinda' random with unmarked line-shaped tankbusters and people hitting themselves with reflect and the add phase appearing at different time of boss mechanics depending on damage etc, was actually pretty awesome fight!

Yeah, they dont want that anymore it seems... So I definitely agree with making the healer rotation more interesting, maybe having WHM and SCH as the straight-forward easier healers and then developing something harder on AST/SGE so people have choice if they want a chill gameplay or godmode optimization levels of 'fun'. When playing these perfectly - the harder counterparts should slighthly outperform the easier ones to make it fair, but of course all the healers are able to clear all content easily. AST is already almost there - its quite hard to play optimally tho it needs a slight boost in rDPS compared to WHM to feel more rewarding.

Tank healing should be nerfed and it probably will be, tomorrow - lets hope.

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Originally Posted by Dhalya

Tank healing should be nerfed and it probably will be, tomorrow - lets hope.

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I really hope so, I got a 1 million gil bet riding on it! **fingers crossed**

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

I really hope so, I got a 1 million gil bet riding on it! **fingers crossed**

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Guess you owe someone money.
6.05 is a joke, the only thing rhey changed on healers is fey union range.

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Originally Posted by RinaShinomiya

Guess you owe someone money.
6.05 is a joke, the only thing rhey changed on healers is fey union range.

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Yep, I had to pony up. They were so worried they were combing through all the X.05 patches to see what type of changes were made.

They made drk viable because all tank busted are magic hits so dark mind is useful in all situations now. Also a lot is meele uptime unfriendly. So 2 caster with addle could be decent options

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1qL4y1J7Mh
(EX Trial 1)

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1qL4y1J7Mh?p=2
EX Trial 2


Say what you will but this shouldn't be happening IMHO this early into an expansion.

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I have a question for you. Have YOU completed it without a healer?

Just because the top 1% players can do some pretty amazing things doesn't mean it's the norm, and it certainly doesn't mean everyone will find the gameplay that easy.

You're getting yourself worked up over nothing. This kind of stuff happens all the time in video games.

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Originally Posted by Saimeren

I have a question for you. Have YOU completed it without a healer?

Just because the top 1% players can do some pretty amazing things doesn't mean it's the norm, and it certainly doesn't mean everyone will find the gameplay that easy.

You're getting yourself worked up over nothing. This kind of stuff happens all the time in video games.

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I did it with an all WAR party, Hydaelin was difficult but Zodiark was arguably easier than normal comp

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Originally Posted by Saimeren

I have a question for you. Have YOU completed it without a healer?

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Zodiark yes a couple of weeks ago, we got two rdms to do the healing at styx 2 and a single revive when the warrior accidentally walked off the edge of the arena during the meteors

hydaelyn no. I can't even find a farm group that can clear hydaelyn once atm. Its really not a hard fight, I fail to see whats so difficult about stacking in two groups. But it took 9 "farm" groups to get a single clear.

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Originally Posted by Saimeren

I have a question for you. Have YOU completed it without a healer?

Just because the top 1% players can do some pretty amazing things doesn't mean it's the norm, and it certainly doesn't mean everyone will find the gameplay that easy.

You're getting yourself worked up over nothing. This kind of stuff happens all the time in video games.

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It doesn't matter if I can or can't do it.

1) Multiple video instances of it happening have been shown in this very thread along with multiple people adding anecdotal evidence of it happening (even if it's the last 50% or so)

2) Let me say this loudly because you don't seem to be able to grasp it IT.SHOULDN'T.BE.HAPPENING.AT.ALL.WHILE.THE.CONTENT.IS.CURRENT.PERIOD.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

2) Let me say this loudly because you don't seem to be able to grasp it IT.SHOULDN'T.BE.HAPPENING.AT.ALL.PERIOD. while the content is current.

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You can bet it would have been emergency patched at the same time as the login server stability update weeks ago if they were doing no tank runs. It's a safe bet because that's been the case every single time someone's figured out how to do tankless content.

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I have a question for you. Have YOU completed it without a healer?

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I've had a 0 percentile for healing on both EX, where myself and my co-healer were over-healing ridiculous amounts with no GCD heals. I've had plenty of greys as WHM, but a straight up 0 where I was trying to heal, because there simply wasn't anything to heal, is a first.

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You can bet it would have been emergency patched at the same time as the login server stability update weeks ago if they were doing no tank runs. It's a safe bet because that's been the case every single time someone's figured out how to do tankless content.

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Scenario A:
"Sir, the players have figured out how to do X fight without tanks."

"Outrageous! Who do they think they are alienating an entire player-base? Quickly, we need to stop this ASAP."

Scenario B:
"Sir, the players have figured out how to do X fight without healers."

"No one important cares."