[ Dev's ] Gear Swaps Can I have It?

Changing gear made XI's end game work.

Which is why even more important question is what their plans are for the gear progression. Situational upgrades won't work because, well, there are only a fraction of situations as opposed to XI. And if there's no situational upgrades, they'll be forced to make equipment obsolete often. Otherwise we have no reason to go after the new equipment, if it doesn't benefit us.

Gear swaps are a brilliant concept and there's no good argument against it. The small flaws in XI's system are easily fixed.

If they don't do something revolutionary (which isn't Yoshida's style) they will need to choose one or the other. And at this point the community is pointing them towards WoW, as opposed to XI with clear improvements (that is ultimately a better system, when executed correctly. Which isn't hard.)

what a shame ...someone start a abolishment of slot points thread cause that at the very least needs to go. what the hell else is there in a pve game but to kill things for gears to wear.

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Originally Posted by weeble

someone start a abolishment of slot points thread cause that at the very least needs to go.

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It's over here:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ory-limitation

I got to say I am little disappointed simply because of my experiences in FFXI. Having different gear sets really made putting the finishing touches on a job require lots of different gear pieces that really encouraged people to participate in all the different events in which all these pieces came from. Now it seems as 1 piece will generally be the best overall piece and that is it. No more enfeebling sets, stoneskin sets, elemental magic sets, -pdt sets, etc.

yeah we will have to see how this game implements everything>< my bet endgame content will keep dying out. people getting the 1piece they want and quiting rather then doing that event for years. is a shame but we'll see how it goes

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Originally Posted by Zanfire

Good. From what ive seen in this thread there is plenty of people that dont really want it.

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seconded. constant gear swapping metagame = do not want

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Spoke with Battle Master Matsui to get the lowdown on the whole gear swapping question that's got you all buzzin'. In regards to swapping gear while in battle, since changing certain gear while in battle will change your class in FFXIV, we're not planning to make it possible to swap gear in battle. This direction will not change in the future.

We are focusing instead on making adjustments with the battle-related fixes to ensure that you can battle to your utmost ability without having to rely on changing gear multiple times mid-fight.

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Then Fire Matsui as well because you have now just confirmed for us that each patch or update will make the next one useless essentially killing the game similar to what you guys did with Abyssea in XI when you tossed 7 years of peoples lives down the toilet.

Swapping gear made each item a specialty item and kept people killing the same endgame mobs for years. It did not out date the content and allowed the game to progress to a point where there was actually almost to much to do on a weekly basis.

Since you have confirmed for us that the gear will last a year maybe two until the next level cap increase I would say you are taking the game in the direction of WOW and bowing to the masses. I guess the casual gamers have finally won, and those of us that enjoyed XI's very intricut systems with all its complexity and challenges probably wont be around for very much longer.

Sorta ashame, FFXIV is doomed to have the same game breaking elements WoW and most mmos have with content now.

Only way to add new content is to destroy all old content now... since there will be 1 set of armor for each class.

This simple thing cut FFXIV's life by 80%.

SE continues to ignore everything that made FFXI into a strong mmo for almost a decade... it is starting to really worry me.

rip ffxiv! lol u read my mind elkwood.this post pretty much confirmed it's own death to me. . lot of mmo's are going to the casuals ...so sad. guess people want to pay for a graphical aproach to aol chat rooms. meh no thanks.

oh and also this game will have to put out at least double the content at twice the speed as ffxi and right now it's 100% slower. and for most who didn't leave no matter how fast you go it will never be fast enough anymore and we will always be waiting for that next content. and unlike ffxi you wont keep them paying and waiting, i know i wont.

Im both happy and kinda sad of this howevere it would save some time during battles not having to do gear swaps.
I could however settle for accessory gear swaps, like rings, necklaces etc to improve some spells / attacks efficiency.

Or...maybe even better / simpler "Attributes" swap instead of gear change, something i'd like to recommend SE evaluating instead of just copy & paste FFXI's old gear swap style.

Hm.. now that i think about it, maybe even add a class in the future wich is able to do Stats buff for a limited duration wich could boost weapon-skills, spells & attacks.
Maybe a Time-mage / Mathematician / Chemist.

Must say, the evidence is starting to pile up that this might go the WoW-ish route, which to me is scary. Between the uncapped dungeons, teleporting magically anywhere at any rank for any reason, and to this; I am kind of worried. Not to mention there is 0 to work toward at this point minus say guildmarks and some faction gear (which is really an after thought, similar to merit points in FFXI). I think this game will be good, but it might be 2 years from now.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

Changing gear made XI's end game work.

Which is why even more important question is what their plans are for the gear progression. Situational upgrades won't work because, well, there are only a fraction of situations as opposed to XI

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Funny...I full timed multiple gear sets on my thief all the time. I had several sets of gear for different situations and it didn't always call for mid-battle swaps.

I had...

Accuracy set - Moderatly hard monsters
Powering set - Weak monsters
Evasion set - Strong accurate monsters

While I did have sets I would "Swap" for minor things like Ranged accuracy and weaponskill sets I'm still averse to having that style of play again.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Spoke with Battle Master Matsui to get the lowdown on the whole gear swapping question that's got you all buzzin'. In regards to swapping gear while in battle, since changing certain gear while in battle will change your class in FFXIV, we're not planning to make it possible to swap gear in battle. This direction will not change in the future.

We are focusing instead on making adjustments with the battle-related fixes to ensure that you can battle to your utmost ability without having to rely on changing gear multiple times mid-fight.

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DoooOOOOooooM!!!

Did I do that right?

Seriously though, excellent news. The metagaming situation gear swapping created in XI was beyond ridiculous in my opinion. I'm glad that XIV was developed with it intentionally not present and that it will continue to be so.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

we're not planning to make it possible to swap gear in battle. This direction will not change in the future.

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Hmmmmm. This is the first thing that came to mind.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Spoke with Battle Master Matsui to get the lowdown on the whole gear swapping question that's got you all buzzin'. In regards to swapping gear while in battle, since changing certain gear while in battle will change your class in FFXIV, we're not planning to make it possible to swap gear in battle. This direction will not change in the future.

We are focusing instead on making adjustments with the battle-related fixes to ensure that you can battle to your utmost ability without having to rely on changing gear multiple times mid-fight.

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Glad to hear it. Simply the concept of changing clothes mid-battle is pretty stupid IMO. I could understand making different sets of armor for different builds, specializations or roles within a job but not how it was (from my understanding) in XI.

From what I understand in XI there was gear optimized for just a specific action and you would use it for that and then switch over to something else. That I feel is pretty stupid. I can't cast Fire until I'm wearing my special pants, they make it burn harder. Imagine how cumbersome that would be in this game, especially with how the macro system for gear swapping currently does one item at a time in sequence. Even with auto-attack the battle system is much faster than that.

Again making different set for different builds, specializations or roles within a job would be fine. Like say having a build that is suited to Fire or Aero specifically for Black Mage, that would be fine as it would allow you to have very specific gear. This would make you feel and look unique from other Black Mages and it would offer you a degree of customization. However it would also eliminate the need to switch gear for every single action or spell.

I feel this would be a decent compromise. People get to search around for their optimal build gear without having just 1 set being the best for the job.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

Changing gear made XI's end game work.

Which is why even more important question is what their plans are for the gear progression. Situational upgrades won't work because, well, there are only a fraction of situations as opposed to XI. And if there's no situational upgrades, they'll be forced to make equipment obsolete often. Otherwise we have no reason to go after the new equipment, if it doesn't benefit us.

Gear swaps are a brilliant concept and there's no good argument against it. The small flaws in XI's system are easily fixed.

If they don't do something revolutionary (which isn't Yoshida's style) they will need to choose one or the other. And at this point the community is pointing them towards WoW, as opposed to XI with clear improvements (that is ultimately a better system, when executed correctly. Which isn't hard.)

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different stats on different gear for different situations, swap your gear outside of battle, choose your gear based on the event you are goin into and what role you are playing.

Just because you cant be everything at once doesnt mean there isnt useful different gears.
for example
pug weapons with piercing dmg, pug weapons with blunt.
pug weapons with a focus on ATT and crit rate for bigger damage
pug weapons with a focus on parry and ACC for tanking
Evasion earrings gear if you expect to tank low ACC mobs
Defensive gear if you expect to tank high ACC mobs
Haste and speed gear if you want to be able to apply buffs/debuffs and set up BRs all at the same time

The point of different gear in FFXI wasnt to be a god all the time, it was to pick the gear that appropriately fit your skills and role, and made you better at the style of play you chose. The fact that people could use it all basically ruined those strategic choices.

imagine 1 rdm chose to be a stamina type with really high mp regen
another rdm chose to be a melee type with melee gear aCC attack and use enspells
another rdm chose to be a light BLM with back up cures

one monk chose to be a tank, and thus was full of ACC and counter gear, HP boosting gear and haste
another was all spike damage and went ACC ATTACK and STR and VIT for WS with a theif sub used kick attacks and kick damage boots.

people just did it all in one fight, your supposed to choose before you go into battle.

It the equivalent of swapping skills in battle out of your bar right now during a fight, without even having to put away your weapon, its just a work around to cheat the system. Oh im sure its cool, and makes having situational abilities more usefull, but that because you are cheating the system whereby you were actually supposed to choose your gear and skills BEFORE you went into battle.

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Well, they better think up something as a long term reward for doing content X,Y,Z...

I predict people either skipping to the newest content or IF there is a requirement like content X must be done to do content Y, people will only do content X once and it will become a pain in the butt to find people willing to do it again.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Spoke with Battle Master Matsui to get the lowdown on the whole gear swapping question that's got you all buzzin'. In regards to swapping gear while in battle, since changing certain gear while in battle will change your class in FFXIV, we're not planning to make it possible to swap gear in battle. This direction will not change in the future.

We are focusing instead on making adjustments with the battle-related fixes to ensure that you can battle to your utmost ability without having to rely on changing gear multiple times mid-fight.

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Booyakasha! Thanks for the confirmation, Bayohne.

IMO the mechanic was ridiculous to begin with in XI, I'd hate to see it make a comeback here. Changing gear between fights, sure, but in the middle? C'mon, that's just ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Enthy

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Well, they better think up something as a long term reward for doing content X,Y,Z...

I predict people either skipping to the newest content or IF there is a requirement like content X must be done to do content Y, people will only do content X once and it will become a pain in the butt to find people willing to do it again.

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I remember running into this in FFXI, too. Not sure where the rose tinted glasses are being sold in this thread.

The only active gear switching I want to see encouraged by this game is arrow switching.

(and even then, only if it adds something positive to the game)

I guess I could warm up to the idea...Does seem ridiculous to change gear while fighting. I guess I am afraid more of the implications (one piece of gear is best) and therefore everyone spams that event and everyone looks the same etc. If they can avoid that I guess I don't care that I can't change midcast.

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Originally Posted by Physic

The point of different gear in FFXI wasnt to be a god all the time, it was to pick the gear that appropriately fit your skills and role, and made you better at the style of play you chose. The fact that people could use it all basically ruined those strategic choices.

imagine 1 rdm chose to be a stamina type with really high mp regen
another rdm chose to be a melee type with melee gear aCC attack and use enspells
another rdm chose to be a light BLM with back up cures

one monk chose to be a tank, and thus was full of ACC and counter gear, HP boosting gear and haste
another was all spike damage and went ACC ATTACK and STR and VIT for WS with a theif sub used kick attacks and kick damage boots.

people just did it all in one fight, your supposed to choose before you go into battle.

It the equivalent of swapping skills in battle out of your bar right now during a fight, without even having to put away your weapon, its just a work around to cheat the system. Oh im sure its cool, and makes having situational abilities more usefull, but that because you are cheating the system whereby you were actually supposed to choose your gear and skills BEFORE you went into battle.

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You are making this shit up. Gear swapping functioned the way it did by DESIGN, which means it was working AS INTENDED, which means nobody was "cheating" the system. You can't say how it was "supposed to work" when the fact is that SE had no problem whatsoever with the way the system was functioning, otherwise they would have changed it.

The fact is that there will be a fraction of situational equipment to choose from, you did not disprove this (I never said there were none of them). To top it off, the game is changing to function in a way where everyone has a more clear cut role in battle, meaning there is less demand for exotic playstyles (if you're not a unique snowflake while gimping yourself that is) and thus less demand for specific gearsets (like tanking on a DPS oriented class).

In the end it'll be like trying to get a tanking set for Monk because you already have everything else that boosts your DPS, yet there's little incentive for it and you do it mainly to be a completionist, not for some great advantage in normal gameplay. What a great incentive for players to do the new mid-expansion situational gear dungeon.

Hi All,

I'd agree with physic. While Gear Swapping in battle certainly added more strategy and more thought, and made use of more types of gear, there's nothing to say that we can't use different sets, they'd just be chosen before battle.

We can still have a High Accuracy Set, or a High Damage Set, or a Debuff Set or a Healing Set, and it'd be what you'd choose before a fight. Is this Boss something with High Evasion? Then you choose to go with your High Accuracy Set before the Boss fight.

Is this other Boss, slow, with Low Evasion, but High Defense? Then go with a High Damage Set, etc.

Also, we don't know the full extent of their new Combat System. Seeing their most recent work on Final Fantasy XIII and the upcoming FF XIII-2, they have a Paradigm System.

So perhaps, instead of Gear Swapping (manually with Macros like XI), who knows? Maybe we'll have the eventual ability to Swap Jobs (roles) in Combat, like Lightning swapping between Saboteur -> Commando -> Ravager mid-combat. I could see them developing the Job System so that you can swap your Job during a fight, which would then add more strategy and tactics back in, like Gear Swapping in XI.

Ultimately, I think it's a mistake for SE to leak only a small bit of information again (No Gear Swap), without showing us the full Battle Plan. I think it makes more people uneasy / angry / frustrated / confused, and only a portion of the Players happy (those that just didn't like Gear Swapping).

Let's see what it's like after we see their Full Battle System in place. Here's to hoping for good things! :)

I am pleased with this dev post

I'm glad we won't have gear swapping mid-battle. I really didn't like that element of XI. I'd much rather the game keep me involved through creative new challenges and interesting story-based content as opposed to hunting for new shoes over and over because I have to wear something different for every spell I cast.

That's not to say that there should be one gear set to rule them all; optimally, the "best" gear should depend on the battle strategy you wish to employ. Creative bosses and battle situations sometimes require a change in strategy and a corresponding change in gear before the battle begins. But allowing gear swapping during battle (in addition to looking ridiculous) creates a situation where gear sets are too numerous and too specialized. To allow it would be to require it, as the battle system would have to be balanced around its existence. No thanks.

Well within the same class/role you would likely see people with the same gear like all Gladiator Tanks would have a set of gear but that's different from Pugilist Tanks. Similarly Pugilist Tank gear would be different from Pugilist DD gear. It's already kind of this way except you have a lot of the gear being shared between classes for similar roles, this is especially obvious with mages.

To achieve good diversification they'd have to break gear down from broad to specific, example:
Conjurer > Black Mage > Nuker > Water

You start off with the most broad gear, gear simply for Conjurer and then start getting more specific by selecting the job, role within the job and then a specific build for that role.

To do this for the Disciples of War they would have to make multiple builds within any role viable for the jobs. Like having Vitality builds and Dexterity builds be viable for tanking for all jobs. Gladiators/Paladins would use bigger heavier armor/bigger shields/bigger swords for Vitality builds but the lighter armor/smaller shields/shorter swords for a Dexterity build. I say Dexterity instead of Evasion simply because for something like Marauder Dexterity means Parry. Currently this isn't quite as possible but it should be looked into.

I never really liked the whole gear swapping in XI, but then again I never hated it either. It was just a little headache. I highly doubt they will bring it back though. Right now, there is so much effort to prevent you from gear swapping. It seems that the developers really don't want people to do it.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

I remember running into this in FFXI, too. Not sure where the rose tinted glasses are being sold in this thread.

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if this was happening it was many many years after the content was added not 60days after. they are pre'empting a fix for things that won't happen for years, but still adding content that will die out in months.

there are many other ways to fix this other then gear swaps, but gear swapping was a way none the less. racing to the latest content is a stupid idea. having empty zones is a stupid idea. gear swaps weren't stupid they were just implemented wrong.

they should at the very least make every spell and move have the option to have say 6scrolls, all the scrolls are scatered in the nm's, hnm's, dungeons and missions. that way the more of them u have the better your spells improve, just like gear swaps but u never gotta make macros or swap gear. u don't need to get the scrolls like the gear but if u did it helped in the same manners. u can skip it ..if want ..till last spells and moves. the main thing is not to kill content and to make it worth having everything.

being a nitch class is dumb to me, i then don't want to take the time to gear anything else. i'll grab my niche gear, say i'm a niche class, and play my niche game. granted the few that can switch to any gear when needed will be needed players but it's not necessary and in no way will make u want to spend that extra time doing so.

My next question I want to ask to the devs is what is square planning on doing with content at expansions? Not having gear swaps is ok but how are they handling content then... atm most who are against gear swaps it is because of this reason from reading the these post.

If the Plan to:

-replacing old content with new dungeons/raids/quest (Western sytle concept of expansions)
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-incorporating old content to keep all content in the game worthwhile (XIs method of expansions)

If it is the first one... I hope people like the game now because the way SE released every mmo and every mmo expansion has been like this. Absolutely nothing in it besides zones and barebone quest/missions with everything else being fleshed out over the next 2yrs period of time.

And even with a level increase are you going to continue to spam old dungeons knowing that in a few months all your time is wasted? You will have the same crap you have in WoW atm. Everyone is crazy active at an expansion/content update... then everyone stops logging on once they do everything. If anyone thinks that is good something is wrong with them.

Square needs to insure me that they will not screw the game over everyupdate. I want more content then I can handle...not some BS that I can finish in a week then take a break for 6 months.

Atm this game seems to be going more and more in the direction of the worst WoW clone ever created... I sure hope these content updates are some kind of godly content... if they want to butt heads with WoW, Rift, and GW2 they need to not match them but beat them... good luck if they are on that path.

That's just what happens with people who play a lot though. They're the first to burn through, beat and burn out on new content. For people who have been playing since launch or who are pretty much all caught up on content then yes all new additions will be short lived. However for all new players every addition is more to keep them playing longer until they too get caught up. Depending on the player this could take a few months or a few years.

Point being every addition of content is a good thing, some people will burn through it quickly no matter how big it is. I'm a bit of a completionist so I'm not sure I could see myself being out of content for quite a while now, especially with new stuff always coming out.

I think in FFXI gear swap is one of the core-fun feature of battle system. Having the chance to study different equip sets to maximize every ability or situation in real time is stimulating and brings a lot of variety into play even for a single job. Of course no one says this feature has to be carryed over to ffxiv as it is... I just ask, if it's possible to think of some other feature in battle system that could make a bit more spicy every fight by breaking the "ability cycling" and "fixed equip" walls.

Let the players think and invent new things and ways to play even beyond the devs plans, make a battle system full of open chances for adventurers so they can reinvent each fight in real time!

Those who are worried about there being a limited reason to repeat content to get gear in end game and that their gear will become obsolete when they increase the level cap in FFXIV should keep these things in mind:

1. FFXI *DID* make gear obsolete (job AF) with a level cap increase. They also released a way to upgrade that gear later to make it relevant again, so who is to say they wont do that here too?

2. Even though you can't swap gear mid-battle it doesn't mean they can't release different sets of gear for different encounters. When describing the dungeons, they keep saying that it will require "specific strategies" to complete the objectives. Maybe that means you need a set of fire resistant gear to take on a certain boss for instance?

3. Most importantly, MATERIA! If they do release a new set of gear that is better than your current set, you can just turn your old gear into materia (which will have stats related to your own playstyle) to attach to your next set.

Bottom line, though, is that nobody knows what it will be like. Just because you can no longer gear swap shouldn't make you give up on the game when there is still great potential for gear selection strategy with materia and a variety of encounter types. Time will tell but don't lose hope just yet!

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Originally Posted by Gidonoidon_Sur

I got to say I am little disappointed simply because of my experiences in FFXI. Having different gear sets really made putting the finishing touches on a job require lots of different gear pieces that really encouraged people to participate in all the different events in which all these pieces came from. Now it seems as 1 piece will generally be the best overall piece and that is it. No more enfeebling sets, stoneskin sets, elemental magic sets, -pdt sets, etc.

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I don't think you get it...you can still have all of that. The point is just that you might have to think ahead and plan a little, rather than wear 13 different sets of armor in a 2 minute battle...

Thank you, Bayohne. Glad to know that Matsui is making the intelligent choice here. Any word on whether we can swap arrows/ammo mid-fight?

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Originally Posted by _C-a-e-r-i-t-h_

Thank you, Bayohne. Glad to know that Matsui is making the intelligent choice here. Any word on whether we can swap arrows/ammo mid-fight?

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I don't see anything wrong with arrows/ammo being swapped in middle of fight; Pretty sure there are time like sleep mob using sleep arrows/bolts at times for crowd controlling on mobs and switching to main damaging arrow for kills. + If you run out while fighting if they don't allow swap that's gonna be bit hard for archers lol.

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

I don't see anything wrong with arrows/ammo being swapped in middle of fight; Pretty sure there are time like sleep mob using sleep arrows/bolts at times for crowd controlling on mobs and switching to main damaging arrow for kills. + If you run out while fighting if they don't allow swap that's gonna be bit hard for archers lol.

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I agree. I don't think it's currently allowed (unless it changed?) but I think it really ought to be. Swapping ammo was one of the things that made ranged attacks really useful in FFXI, especially with status bolts.

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Originally Posted by TatsuIkari

1. FFXI *DID* make gear obsolete (job AF) with a level cap increase. They also released a way to upgrade that gear later to make it relevant again, so who is to say they wont do that here too?

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11 different sets on THF all ready to swap, I don't even mention how many I had on RDM...had to swap all the inventory to make sure I coult take with me everything and no AF even the non +1 ones were still usefull for some abilites. Surely you could play ffxi being the "avarage" player with 1-2 sets for jobs but please don't come tell me equip variety was obsolete in ffxi and that preparing different sets outside battle is as thrilling as having them swap in real time to counter battle events.

Swapping gear during battle isn't thrilling....it's ridiculous. I go back to my original post.

Go get in a bar fight and try changing your pants in the middle of it....let me know how that works out for you.

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

My next question I want to ask to the devs is what is square planning on doing with content at expansions? Not having gear swaps is ok but how are they handling content then... atm most who are against gear swaps it is because of this reason from reading the these post.

If the Plan to:

-replacing old content with new dungeons/raids/quest (Western sytle concept of expansions)
or
-incorporating old content to keep all content in the game worthwhile (XIs method of expansions)

If it is the first one... I hope people like the game now because the way SE released every mmo and every mmo expansion has been like this. Absolutely nothing in it besides zones and barebone quest/missions with everything else being fleshed out over the next 2yrs period of time.

And even with a level increase are you going to continue to spam old dungeons knowing that in a few months all your time is wasted? You will have the same crap you have in WoW atm. Everyone is crazy active at an expansion/content update... then everyone stops logging on once they do everything. If anyone thinks that is good something is wrong with them.

Square needs to insure me that they will not screw the game over everyupdate. I want more content then I can handle...not some BS that I can finish in a week then take a break for 6 months.

Atm this game seems to be going more and more in the direction of the worst WoW clone ever created... I sure hope these content updates are some kind of godly content... if they want to butt heads with WoW, Rift, and GW2 they need to not match them but beat them... good luck if they are on that path.

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What you want is the FFXI endgame pre abyssea which was arguably the worst MMO endgame around.
You do realize that FFXI endgame excluded like 90% of the server population dont you?
Sure it was fun when you had an endgame linkshell but if you were on the other side of the fence you got completely screwed. All most people had to do for 6 years was limbus, dynamis, exp. Not to mention how HNM system for the longest time had nothing to do with skill but bots. This is why WOW has more players, content is about including everyone not about excluding people like FFXI was. That is why endgame player playtimes in XI were 6 years vs normal player few months.
Not to even mention that MMO players have tons of MMOs to chose from and they not going to stick around hoping to get in a endgame shell and than be in that shell for 6 months and than hope for an item to drop like e body that maybe dropped once a week under right conditions (no server maintenance etc etc).

Yes they should release content all the time that will get you gear that will outdate old gear. It's the only way to progress.
The trick is to make the content relevant and fun. It should be about journey to the level cap and content along the way that makes you improve. Not grind to the cap and than fighting it out for a piece of gear that you hope wont be outdated for 6 years and drops of 1 mob that 800 people camp.

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Originally Posted by Naylia

Swapping gear during battle isn't thrilling....it's ridiculous. I go back to my original post.

Go get in a bar fight and try changing your pants in the middle of it....let me know how that works out for you.

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I hope they add macros to real life.