FATES need a nerf

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Originally Posted by Tolmos

(tl,dr: Dungeons need boost FATE should stay as it is.)

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You can't deny about FATEs not being the most mindless out of the options provided at the moment though. They teach very little about your class. And you missed battleleves completely from the options. Those need a huge boost from what they are now. Something tells me that they were supposed to be the thing to grind or at least use until you don't dare to spend your levies anymore once you're out of normal quests.

My personal pet peeve with FATEs is still the fact that in larger groups people get huge rewards for very little effort. Call that me wanting a difficulty buff / effort nerf at least if you want.

And I still stand with my slower leveling speed preference. You're free to disagree of course.

If you want a slower leveling speed, then they would need to nerf more than just fates. If you are determined enough, you can hit 50 in about 4 days through just the quests (not FATE grinding), making both forms about even as far as xp vs time. "People are hitting 50 too fast" well then stop blaming FATEs, because it isn't just them. What you want is an XP nerf across the board, which is a totally different argument. Even if they did change it at this point, what would be the point? To hurt those who are NOW going to pick the game up? They aren't going to "de-level" anyone. Look at the legacy severs with everyone who was 50 prior to this.

Hell, you think this is bad? From talking with one of my legacy friends, there was a time where you would bring in a level 1 with a bunch of level 50s and carry the level 1 up to 50 (including for crafting professions). So you would go from 1-50 in a span of HOURS (not days). If they didn't "de-level" everyone then, I doubt they would do it now.

Also, if you are a smart player, you are leveling your regular classes through FATEs/Dungeons and saving your Levequests for crafting (because unless you like to torture yourself, leves are about the only decent way to level crafting (triple HQ turn-in FTW!)

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Originally Posted by ChickensEvil

Also, if you are a smart player, you are leveling your regular classes through FATEs/Dungeons and saving your Levequests for crafting (because unless you like to torture yourself, leves are about the only decent way to level crafting (triple HQ turn-in FTW!)

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Bit sidetracking here, but yeah. That's how it is right now and that's precisely why battleleves need something to be done to them. They're worthless in comparison to the crafting/gathering ones.

1) Remove XP from FATE mobs (thereby also removing chain XP bonuses).

2) Better scaling of FATEs based on participating players.

All you really need.

FATES don't need a nerf.
Dungeon exp and mobs exp need a buff.

People seem to throw around "it doesn't teach you your class" as if learning your class is a long and arduous journey that requires 40 hours of grinding to do.

Learning a class is as easy as going into the forums, reading for 30 minutes, then maybe practicing for 30 minutes.

The mechanics of MMOs aren't something special either...the people that learn how to avoid stuff learn it quickly...the ones that can't, generally never do.

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Originally Posted by Moontide

Bit sidetracking here, but yeah. That's how it is right now and that's precisely why battleleves need something to be done to them. They're worthless in comparison to the crafting/gathering ones.

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And on that subject I wholly agree!

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Originally Posted by Swag

1) Remove XP from FATE mobs (thereby also removing chain XP bonuses).

2) Better scaling of FATEs based on participating players.

All you really need.

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Umm you do realize that after chain 4 (??? I think it is ???) you get no more increasing xp bonus. There is a cap, and it is pretty low. The rest of the chain bonus is just epeen and also kinda funny. Cause who doesn't like seeing a 200 chain? Having XP from the mobs balances out the terrible FATEs that give you little to nothing for doing them. Most zones there is usually one or two great FATEs for XP (both mobs and completion), a handful of good ones, and the rest are just crappy.

On another note, I do agree with scaling, since when you get over, like, 100 people on a single FATE you start losing XP because it gets harder and harder for your group to do enough damage to a mob to get XP credit on the kill.

i dont mind the XP you make in fates.. i would like to see fates made harder.. to EARN that XP... right now all i do when i join a fates nearby (i dont grind them, i got dignity lol) is TAB BIO TAB AERO TAB BIO... do this for 20 sec and i get GOLD RANK and 10-15k XP. no one dies, no need for party mechanics.. fates should change the name to "XP piñata!!!"

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Originally Posted by Desolas

FATES are fine, the problem is the community mindset of wanting to be carried.

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You probably approve of FATEs because your one of those FATE stompers who just love the repetition yet complain about it being done on dungeons for what? Four levels? I'm sure the six or more levels you gain in the same area is nowhere near as repetitive especially when you do it over and over on your "second or third class".

FATEs pretty much coerce everyone into doing it with the thousands and thousands of exp more than any other feature the game offers. After anyone realizes that they could of gotten more than ten times that amount instead of doing dungeons or leves they'll leave immediately. All my friends gave up dungeons and started spamming FATEs because of that but there's a limit to how much exp. someone will give up to have fun and I highly doubt anyone will give up over 80% of it for the sake of fun unless they don't know about it.

I know a guy who got 4 jobs to 50 in a couple of weeks, averaging about 3-4 hours a day. Nobody should be able to do that in that time, nobody. The kicker is, he doesn't even play half of the time, he just AFK in a FATE party. So he got 4 level 50 jobs by doing absolutely nothing more than half the time. Can't say I blame him, FATEs are so mindless you might as well AFK.

There are plenty of people who have ALL battle jobs to 50 before their one month free subscription is up, that's just ridiculous. Once they've beaten Coil, which probably won't happen, they would have literally done everything in the game.