Square, Don't let the Community ruin this game

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Originally Posted by Steeled

WoW (etc) Players - Like it, Hate it, SE said a long time ago they wanted 2.0 to be more like World of Warcraft and that 1.0's goal was "merely to be different from Final Fantasy 11", and it is in a lot of ways. That game has a very toxic community and tools like the random dungeon finder only made it worse.

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People REALLY need to stop blaming dungeon finder for lack of community. I played WoW from launch, and there was worse back then, with only letting in certain classes, taking all the loot, being tools, etc. The dungeon finder just made more people see it faster. The community was full of groups (guilds mostly who would pick up one or two people, then take all the loot or abuse the person) who were terrible people. Dungeon finder let me as Warlock after they got nerfed see the content, before that i couldn't get a group to save my life, and when i did it was universally terrible. After dungeon finder, i had a blast, with the rare bad group.

The speed runs are stupid in my eyes, especially in DF, as a lot of dungeons are needed for story, i'm not going to skip. You want a speed run, form one yourself with others who want to. Dungeons need to be changed where if one party member dies, all the aggro goes to surviving party members, like if you were in a normal combat, with also no leash, so they will follow to the entrance, to the boss room, etc.

When you decide to use the Duty Finder tool you accept to be grouped with random strangers whom you know nothing about. Nothing about their experience, their gear, skill, where they are from or what their preference and expectations in a game is. You do so on your own merit, fully aware of what you're getting yourself into.

Now let's assume you get into a group and the three others you're with want to do a speed run, you're the only one who disagree. Are people here truly suggesting that the rest of the group should simply comply to your wishes because you think it's the "right way to do it"? As long as they're not breaking any rules to achieve their goals, there is no right or wrong way, only better or worse, depending on what your goals might be. If you find yourself in the minority, either soak it up or leave to make your own custom group.

I'm sure it can be frustrating that you find it hard to find groups accustomed to your liking using a randomized LFG tool, but that doesn't mean the community is bad.

/signed this is a problem that shouldnt happen.

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Originally Posted by Tari-F

I wouldn't be surprised if quite a number of the more relaxed players are just playing with friends or chilling and leveling lower level classes or crafting or doing something other than running high level dungeons through dutyfinder at this point, honestly.

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Well that basically what is going on now. I've seen plenty of the chill players going through crafting, gathering, and stuff after their storyline is done.

I currently trying to get a lvl 50 Bard now since as i played Summoner through the storyline to lvl 50, I find that Bard is more fun for me but currently I'm focusing on getting all necessary cross-skills before I begin leveling my Archer/Bard to lvl 50. Got to get my lancer to level 22 for the Invigorate cross-skill.

(currently only lvl 8 Archer)

I'm taking my time leveling. I hate leveling but intend on leveling everything. It may be 3 or 4 months before I have even 1 50. If I still haven't found an FC I like by then I will use the DF. I prefer tanking or healing so if the "speed runs" are still a problem then it wont bother me. I will either drop group if a healer or pull at my own pace as a tank. They can either leave or stay. Either way no skin off my back. I'm going to be able to go through groups fast enough to find one willing to take their time. I've always had the mentality that instance finders are for casuals or people with no guilds. If you want speed runs do them with your guild or deal with us "scum of the game" as most of these types of people seem to think we are.

Anyone else get the idea that most jerks who bash new players are mouth-breathing basement trolls who hold no power in real life?

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Originally Posted by Chiramu

I have noticed the higher I am getting in levels the worse the community is getting :(. I really enjoyed dungeons back when I was lower and now they are weird. I don't understand what happened to all the cool guys I played with, has it changed since launch?
I prefer to learn in the dungeon myself and I like getting better and being a better WHM but a lot of higher level dungeons have been really unpleasant lately :(.

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Wait until you hit 50 and it's time for Titan Hard Mode. They don't care if it's your first time, if you die to a single thing, and your the healer, these people will crucify you. My advice is to stay as far away from Duty finder as possible, server groups may take longer, but Duty Finder seems to make people feel verbally invincible because the things they say has no draw back on their reputation for the server they come from.

majority rules

if the majority of ppl want to only play with experienced ppl in random groups, that is how it is going to be REGARDLESS if there is an auto-matchmaking feature or not

in FFXI it was the same even though there is NO Duty Finder - you could not PUG any content with RANDOM ppl unless you ALREADY knew what to do

if you were new to the content, you were expected to learn it with friends and organized LS's and not with with random PUGS

Duty Finder doesn't affect people's attitudes; thus, it doesn't make the community or contribute to its toxicity. I don't really have time to sit around looking for a party or trying to find people I know will consistently be on the same times I am. My playtime is really varied. Sometimes I'm on in the afternoon, sometimes the early morning, sometimes very late night. I like being able to hop on and do a dungeon without having to check to see if people that I would normally party with are on or sit around in the chat, shouting for party members. If you don't like duty finder, don't use it to find party members. Have your members ready and then use it to initiate the dungeon.

As far as there not being a community, I think that's true for you since you seem to want to be an outcast of it. I've met loads of nice people via DF or just in my server. Maybe you should stop being so standoffish/doom and gloom?

This reminds me to people attitude during the whole Atomos incident, at the end of 1.0.

It's an oversight on the design on SE's part, as the Atomos encounters were, because even if you CAN do something, it doesn't mean you SHOULD be doing it, because the instance hasn't been designed to be played that way.

They should encourage players to play it the correct way, or even better, design instances well enough where speed running is not even possible, unless that's the idea of the instance of course, and punish everyone who tries to abuse game mechanics and ruining the game experience for others.

It's this attitude that has been destroying MMO's, because after skipping content and rushing everything these guys cry "this game is shit, it has no end game!" no shit sherlock, because it has not been designed to be rushed.

Everyone with their instant gratification sense of entitlement should just go away and stop consuming entertainment in general, because they are making it shit for everyone else.