How valuable is the hardcore opinion?

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Originally Posted by Synapse

This is Final Fantasy, there is gonna be Hardcore Endgame stuff no matter what, it maybe delayed but its coming.

It seems like some people don't understand what is hardcore really is(we r not elitist who ONLY wont hardcore stuff).. its not like these players don't want Casuals to not get the event and reward from it, actually they don't care if you want to do it or not.

These hardcore players just want stuff that are worth their time, like fighting monster that doesn't die in 5 mins, or does not only require pressing 1,1,1. hardcore players have lot of time to spend in game, they rather do challenging stuff then these easy stuff which is probably like 5% of their time.

There is no hardcore players running around saying casual should not do this or should not get this item. They don't care whether you want to do hardcore and get the reward or not.

i consider myself hardcore, well for few more months anyway before time ingame gets cuts by half. I was happy about the last patch because it had contents but disappointed that these "NMs" are just normal mob with high HP, takes 3x longer to kill.

For the people that call them Casuals, why do you NOT want hardcore events? are you satisfied by killing a monster in 5 mins and getting item? did you feel like you accomplished a difficult task? don't think you can handle it? In the end all you going to say is that you have less time to play, so lets mess up for the people who has lot of time by posting in these forums to ban hardcore endgame content.

whats wrong with having both? a hardcore player wont enjoy casual stuff?(i think i killed almost all NMs, had fun soloing it - pretty sure players with less time may have done them all, are you going to repeat it again tomorrow, the week after? of course you wont because its 5 min to kill 5 min to spawn with fairly decent drop rate an thats the end of that patch) and a casual payer wont never try a hardcore stuff?

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i agree with you, They can add HNM with long pop times then add bcnm events for Casuals and guess what i do both because there both fun and casual can just do bcnm version. One day they have time they can do it with there linkshell and go wow that was a awesome fight.

FFXI had both casual and hardcore it just that BCNM drop rate was set too low and that why it was not very casual and the idea of getting beastman seals took to long to get a set just to do one for a item.

Casual and hardcore can be in this game i hope yoshi-p does something so hardcore have something to do. i don't want to waste my time killing a nm that does in 10-15mins because i still have 8-10+hours of noting to do. I log in do my leves and log out noting else to do for 8hours +.

Waiting 3-12 hours for a nm was a pain in the ass but i enjoy it very much. i had to sit there and wait for it to pop and kill PH me and my gf would do this for hours to get. VE,LL i even got my Monk the hands and feet which only took me hands 6/1 and feet 1/2 if you don't want to waste your time you could farm the gil and buy it on the AH or get them yourself by doing the bcnm for it.

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i agree with you, They can add HNM with long pop times then add bcnm events for Casuals and guess what i do both because there both fun and casual can just do bcnm version. One day they have time they can do it with there linkshell and go wow that was a awesome fight.

FFXI had both casual and hardcore it just that BCNM drop rate was set too low and that why it was not very casual and the idea of getting beastman seals took to long to get a set just to do one for a item.

Casual and hardcore can be in this game i hope yoshi-p does something so hardcore have something to do. i don't want to waste my time killing a nm that does in 10-15mins because i still have 8-10+hours of noting to do. I log in do my leves and log out noting else to do for 8hours +.

Waiting 3-12 hours for a nm was a pain in the ass but i enjoy it very much. i had to sit there and wait for it to pop and kill PH me and my gf would do this for hours to get. VE,LL i even got my Monk the hands and feet which only took me hands 6/1 and feet 1/2 if you don't want to waste your time you could farm the gil and buy it on the AH or get them yourself by doing the bcnm for it.

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You really need to stop using FFXI as a reference, FFXI is a totally casual MMO now. All the things you care to mention from FFXI like bcnm, hnm, salvage, limbus etc are no longer relevent, so you either need to find some other MMO to talk about or keep in mind Square saw FFXI's design as wrong in the current time and totally changed it.

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Originally Posted by rainfish

You really need to stop using FFXI as a reference, FFXI is a totally casual MMO now. All the things you care to mention from FFXI like bcnm, hnm, salvage, limbus etc are no longer relevent, so you either need to find some other MMO to talk about or keep in mind Square saw FFXI's design as wrong in the current time and totally changed it.

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I'm sorry what should i use as a reference? AION,WOW,RIFT? games that have noting to do with FFXIV? the only thing that is close to FFXIV is FFXI. I use it as a reference because other game don't fit with this type of mmo.

And am not talking about ffxi now they could easy make BCNM type system for casual and HNM for hardcore players they away two ways of doing this the best way to make players understand what i mean it to reference FFXI.

If this game going to be 100% casual then w/e i guess i'll play Offline games, if this going to be only hardcore game then i guess it wont make enough money. If they can set the bar for 50% / 50% then this could work out.

They could have easy made the 20 NM into 10 Casual and 10 Hardcore that give about the same item but the hardcore is little better by just a small % if casual think that unfair then i'm sorry to bad i guess. Even if it have just one more str,dex or w/e it good enough for hardcore players to go for it.

Seem casual players can't meet in the middle -.- they may be the most % players out there but you not alone others like online game to be more hard.

why musr casuals get seperate content while hardcore get to do both?

why must we use the stupid lables? conjoined content yes, segragated(sp) no.

and mack if you read, ffxi had a small player base on several servers so when i was high enough for endgame no end game LS had room. And not many people repeated missions to help others. with high player base that shouldn't happen.

SE wants the game to have more then 500K players so it tried beng different, but sad thing is it was never coved at any convention. well on tv.
So SE will is going for more players. As for the title, no ones opinion is any less needed. SE wants everyones opinion. But they also need the players to not be so picky, if they are only fixing things nothing will get added. So relax and learn to enjoy things. Not just try it once and hate it.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

I'm sorry what should i use as a reference? AION,WOW,RIFT? games that have noting to do with FFXIV? the only thing that is close to FFXIV is FFXI. I use it as a reference because other game don't fit with this type of mmo.

And am not talking about ffxi now they could easy make BCNM type system for casual and HNM for hardcore players they away two ways of doing this the best way to make players understand what i mean it to reference FFXI.

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you know that would mean hardcore gets 2 ways to get items where casuals get 1 way. thays why your ideas are not fair. And should stop seperating the player base.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

you know that would mean hardcore gets 2 ways to get items where casuals get 1 way. thays why your ideas are not fair. And should stop seperating the player base.

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I'm sorry do you even play FFXIV? becuase it seem a lot of players here saying you don't I'm sorry it's pretty Fair we have more time so we get to do both if we feel like it. Casual can do both also casual players are not casual every day of there life there time they get few days of and can enjoy the hardcore base of the game. It's not about being unfair it the point that causal players are not the only type of players.

There no way you can make something casual and hardcore at the sametime putting in two system would allow this to happen if a casual players get more time they can do the hardcore version and if a Hardcore players get to busy they can do the casual more.

There not stupid lables i'm just using it so other understand what i mean by it.

I think it's dumb walking around town and seeing everyone with the same rare,ex gear that took less then 30min to get. They have to be some item that hard to get every game have this matter if it casual or hardcore.

oh and why would i even get both items? if the other version is better -.-

there is more then just one player base in MMO

Hardcore and casual is just two of the many so am not seperating the player base it been like that for a long long time. Do i even play with the jp player base? ya onces in a blue moon.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

I'm sorry do you even play FFXIV? becuase it seem a lot of players here saying you don't I'm sorry it's pretty Fair we have more time so we get to do both if we feel like it. Casual can do both also casual players are not casual every day of there life there time they get few days of and can enjoy the hardcore base of the game. It's not about being unfair it the point that causal players are not the only type of players.

There no way you can make something casual and hardcore at the sametime putting in two system would allow this to happen if a casual players get more time they can do the hardcore version and if a Hardcore players get to busy they can do the casual more.

There not stupid lables i'm just using it so other understand what i mean by it.

I think it's dumb walking around town and seeing everyone with the same rare,ex gear that took less then 30min to get. They have to be some item that hard to get every game have this matter if it casual or hardcore.

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Using labels as a way to define something is not inherently bad, its the stereo types that are attached.

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Originally Posted by Bled

Using labels as a way to define something is not inherently bad, its the stereo types that are attached.

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am using the labels to only define something not to say that Hardcore are better then casual. i'm just saying if ffxiv had both causal and hardcore events then i as a hardcore gamer can do casual when i get busy and when a causal person is no longer busy they can do the hardcore events.

but just making it all casual is not a good idea.

I hope what yoshi said about 4player base dungeons and 8 player dungeons is true that would fix the issue. He even say they be gear that you would have to do a chain of quest to get like FFXI so this type of event i could enjoy. i just hope the dungeons that are 8 players, players would do them and not only do the casual version.

I wait too ps3 release or when we need to start paying to see how this game turn out for now the updates we getting are just fix and the NM added i bet was just something for us to do too they fix everything.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

am using the labels to only define something not to say that Hardcore are better then casual. i'm just saying if ffxiv had both causal and hardcore events then i as a hardcore gamer can do casual when i get busy and when a causal person is no longer busy they can do the hardcore events.

but just making it all casual is not a good idea.

I hope what yoshi said about 4player base dungeons and 8 player dungeons is true that would fix the issue. He even say they be gear that you would have to do a chain of quest to get like FFXI so this type of event i could enjoy. i just hope the dungeons that are 8 players, players would do them and not only do the casual version.

I wait too ps3 release or when we need to start paying to see how this game turn out for now the updates we getting are just fix and the NM added i bet was just something for us to do too they fix everything.

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I sometimes wonder if the development of FFXIV is planned to go like FFXI. FFXI released in Japan before NA and was widely criticized, then through patching they fixed the basic foundation. With the release of FFXI in NA they created an expansion that fixed most problems and added all new content. I sometime wonder if this same progression is what is in store for FFXIV and the PS3 release.

you can have content that can be access by all. duration don't equal challenge as in a timeconsuming dungeon isn't a harder one.
you can increase the skill required by having time limits much like bcnm of say 10-30 min you had to comple a dungeon and kill the boss.

or similar to that. Why does content need to take so much time anyway? Thats one thing i didn't like about ffxi. I got my sleep sched skrwed up over dynamis and sky. runs to so much time I was passing out just as we hit the boss. Since most ppl set up runs late at night. I have tons of time to play. but having an endgame event from from 9pm-1am wasn't very good for me. I had fun regardless, but that also isn't healthy. Just no one did runs like that during the day but even then after a while I got a lil bored (ADD).

I hate to say but all WoW content is acessable and not very time consuming. including the hardmodes.As long as ppl use their skills it should be that long.

Is this saying make content easy no, it is me saying gimi hand outs, no