Ending, plot discussion. Warning: Spoilers

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Originally Posted by sorahu

question well it might seem like a newbie question but i always wondered this, why in other ff games bahamut is a summoned ally but between ff11 and 14 he is protrayed as a enemy?

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Reasion for that is not to be able to summon him as a player but I've like how SE make's that a reasion why. ^-^

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Originally Posted by sorahu

question well it might seem like a newbie question but i always wondered this, why in other ff games bahamut is a summoned ally but between ff11 and 14 he is protrayed as a enemy?

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He's also an enemy in advent children. Even though it's a movie.

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Originally Posted by Destin

They don't. XI and XIV are two different worlds that share similar lore is all.

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I can't find where I heard this. >< It was lonnggggg long ago. AH! I promise you I heard this somewhere from Square. kljfalkghwlk. I wish I could find it.

it just seems so strange that in previous ff games he seems like one of your stongest summoned allies its weird how SE switches his allegience

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Originally Posted by sorahu

it just seems so strange that in previous ff games he seems like one of your stongest summoned allies its weird how SE switches his allegience

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You always have to fight him before summoning him anyway, don't you? I don't see this as any different.

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Originally Posted by Phen

Maybe they are the allagans that did it? Crystal warriors past seems to fit the story. Also it fits the motif- the swords and the fact ff7 is yoshi's favorite game it screams knights of the round. So we have these 12 allagans who are now a conscious part of the aether to protect eorzea- they get drained to hell by garleans they cant stop the thing they created long ago.

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Could be yeah, The Twelve could easily be named after Warriors of the Allgan Empire who sacrificed themselves to seal Bahamut, but I don't think they are conscious beings and help in anyway in the present. The funny thing is when Bahamut sees the rays of lights and the "swords," he folds his wings in a defensive posture because he knew what was coming.
What gets me though is the Dravnians openly worship Bahamut so somewhere I can't help but think about where their role in all this is.

Noobs didn't even have a full party and were in AF, no wonder they lost.

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Originally Posted by kimoi

How about the giant sword-looking thing that comes out Dalamud? Was that just some sort of lock keeping it in place?

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It's probly a sealing rod used by the Allagan(sp?) Empire to seal him in Dalamud the first time.

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Originally Posted by Keith_Dragoon

It's probly a sealing rod used by the Allagan(sp?) Empire to seal him in Dalamud the first time.

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Yeah it's just this. It's what happens when this kind of sealing spell/ritual is used. The seals are manifested as swords and 'lock' into place.

Has anyone notice that Baha & Lou seem to have known each other? Like Baha was going around wiping everything, came back to Lou and they had a "Moment" were they looked at each other as to say, so we meet again!! Then Lou calls the 11 and summons his strength to make 12 to seal Baha again.

I think this fight has been going on for some time.