HOUSING NEEDS TO CHANGE

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Originally Posted by Solowing

I find it amusing you're giving the same reasons I have, and yet somehow you're more reasonable. He doesn't understand giving a exact duplicate of housing with 1 set having a demo timer and another isn't is going to cause frustration between players because of the inconsistent application of rules.

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you've been vindictive and uncompromising that is why i won't take you seriously or see things from your point of view and its not just towards me you've done it to everyone who doesn't share your view. if you would have just said "i don't think things should change all that much because i like how things are but i understand why its frustrating for you." then i wouldn't have any beef with you at all but what i get from or see from you instead is: "lol you don't really want a house if you don't give up convenience or comfort to have what you want you're just trolling go play a different game if you can't tolerate not living in tiny room or sitting in endless ques to visit people or active servers you noob.(which btw those ques have been dog poo alot lately cause of the constant Ddos attacks but did you ever take that into consideration? i doubt it cause your attitude suggests the later.) "

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Originally Posted by ShadowyZero

you've been vindictive and uncompromising that is why i won't take you seriously or see things from your point of view and its not just towards me you've done it to everyone who doesn't share your view. if you would have just said "i don't think things should change all that much because i like how things are but i understand why its frustrating for you." then i wouldn't have any beef with you at all but what i get from or see from you instead is: "lol you don't really want a house if you don't give up convenience or comfort to have what you want you're just trolling go play a different game if you can't tolerate not living in tiny room or sitting in endless ques to visit people or active servers you noob.(which btw those ques have been dog poo alot lately cause of the constant Ddos attacks but did you ever take that into consideration? i doubt it cause your attitude suggests the later.) "

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As I expected, you will not address the last point. Youll do anything but actually address a point, but instead run to validating personal attacks on me lol

You are very much trying to pick and choose who you respond to. Anyone who understands my sentiment. You'll try to be nice to them and change their perspective on the first post. And the second and onward, either you wont reply to not pick potential fights. Or you'll start calling them blind/unaware/gatekeeping lol.

The worst part is realizing they agree with my sentiment, and yet your response to me is vitriolic, but they are logical and reasonable arguing the same exact thing I am LOL. You unfortunately cant separate facts from your feelings.

You rather attack me personally trying to use that as cover for "housing feedback" What a sad little man, all over a virtual house.

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Originally Posted by Nyastra

Keep wards = Good and bad
Add instanced = Good and bad

Two sides of the same coin.

And both sides keep yapping hating on each other instead of saying hold up we kinda have a common goal here but we don't have an actual solution.

Wards should never have existed if they'd want the just make everything instanced solution, but alas, wards did exist first and now we are at a crossroads where people are going to be mad regardless of what happens.

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i don't know how long you've been here for or when you started but housing used to be for Free Companies only because in the developers current mind they thought that sharing a space with your friends would be a decent way to promote community and camaraderie but fc drama exists ofc lol an friendships break or people go separate ways so to fix this alienation an frustration they added smaller homes that could be purchased by individuals and added more house wards and then in HW added even more wards to alleviate shortages cause the game was still continuing to grow.
and then in Stormblood they added Shirogane because when there was no other content to do after weekly caps or dailys they would use their houses to spend time with their guilds and friends or take photo's. and then Shadowbringers happened during a time when games like WoW were in free fall an not doing well which lead to a huge migration over into ffxiv which why housing problems became more apparent when they were largely ignored when the playerbase was smaller. lots of talk was going on about housing not just here but all over the internet an that how we got the changing of the placard spawn camping into the lotto as well as timers for demolition, an well during the end of shadowbringers and start of endwalker we got a pandemic which forced more people to stay home often which lead to an even greater boost in the playerbase and the housing system just couldnt take it anymore so they added new servers to the rosters asking people to move to them with housing and a long lasting exp buff as their motivator to move.

@Nyestra
so you see i've been around alot longer then this forum account i have here and have been with this system for as long as its been a thing and seen how its changed. the server hop thing was never about "go to where the houses are" but more so the developers asking us to please stop clogging up the traffic on certain servers so operations can run smoothly it was never offered as solution to the problems people have with the housing system itself but rather to incentivize people to move from their home worlds an stabilize the traffic flow.

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Originally Posted by Solowing

As I expected, you will not address the last point. Youll do anything but actually address a point, but instead run to validating personal attacks on me lol

You are very much trying to pick and choose who you respond to. Anyone who understands my sentiment. You'll try to be nice to them and change their perspective on the first post. And the second and onward, either you wont reply to not pick potential fights. Or you'll start calling them blind/unaware/gatekeeping lol.

The worst part is realizing they agree with my sentiment, and yet your response to me is vitriolic, but they are logical and reasonable arguing the same exact thing I am LOL. You don't even know who's arguing for what anymore, you're running off emotion and angst lol

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i gave you my answer that they could remove timers from your ward system if they added individual instance to single/solo players but you didn't like that answer if you're expecting me to bend over backwards for you you're gunna have to give me a ring, a mansion, and all of your gil sweetie~ i'm not free ;P

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Originally Posted by ShadowyZero

i don't know how long you've been here for or when you started but housing used to be for Free Companies only because in the developers current mind they thought that sharing a space with your friends would be a decent way to promote community and camaraderie but fc drama exists ofc lol an friendships break or people go separate ways so to fix this alienation an frustration they added smaller homes that could be purchased by individuals and added more house wards and then in HW added even more wards to alleviate shortages cause the game was still continuing to grow.
and then in Stormblood they added Shirogane because when there was no other content to do after weekly caps or dailys they would use their houses to spend time with their guilds and friends or take photo's. and then Shadowbringers happened during a time when games like WoW were in free fall an not doing well which lead to a huge migration over into ffxiv which why housing problems became more apparent when they were largely ignored when the playerbase was smaller. lots of talk was going on about housing not just here but all over the internet an that how we got the changing of the placard spawn camping into the lotto as well as timers for demolition, an well during the end of shadowbringers and start of endwalker we got a pandemic which forced more people to stay home often which lead to an even greater boost in the playerbase and the housing system just couldnt take it anymore so they added new servers to the rosters asking people to move to them with housing and a long lasting exp buff as their motivator to move.

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Nyestra: Theres no easy solution to the housing system because its going to create problems of inconsistent rules

Shadowyzero: Heres a history lesson of the wards they added.

Me: He still hasn't addressed a thing about what they said...

@SoloWing
aww are you getting jealous cause i'm talking with another poster now and not giving you all my undivided attention? pshh come on now babe, you're my day 1 we'll always have that special spark ;P
now you want me to answer others queries on your behalf? hmmm.... idk what will i get in return for that amount of humor and tomfoolery?

Definitely needs to change.
We want house hoarders gone.

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Originally Posted by Solowing

Given your solution creates its own set of problems, what is the solution to that issue?

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the solution would be to completely redesign and overhaul the system but of course you don't want that by your own admittance because you want things to remain stagnant and infuriating for the rest of us who don't like this current system. an if they wanted to be really "fair" then all plots would need to be the same size and all plots would need to cost the same baseline price but we can't have that in your world no god no that would ruin housing's "appeal" and "exclusivity" in your own words. :) truth is you dont want a solution and you don't want fairness we've figured you out now Roll, so that begs the question to me are you a house hoarder? a RMT guy? bot farmer? cause you seem to get very upset over the thought of your plots getting taken down a peg or for everyone else having their own homestead

oh fyi the housing issues have now spread like wildfire to the General Forums and guess what? they are clamouring for changes and instance based housing LMAO what do you have to say that now? i guess its not just this little corner anymore now is it? better buckle up Sweetie its now only a matter of time before a developer see our message an then brings to our loving producer Yoshida-san

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Originally Posted by ShadowyZero

the solution would be to completely redesign and overhaul the system but of course you don't want that by your own admittance because you want things to remain stagnant and infuriating for the rest of us who don't like this current system. an if they wanted to be really "fair" then all plots would need to be the same size and all plots would need to cost the same baseline price but we can't have that in your world no god no that would ruin housing's "appeal" and "exclusivity" in your own words. :) truth is you dont want a solution and you don't want fairness we've figured you out now Roll, so that begs the question to me are you a house hoarder? a RMT guy? bot farmer? cause you seem to get very upset over the thought of your plots getting taken down a peg or for everyone else having their own homestead

oh fyi the housing issues have now spread like wildfire to the General Forums and guess what? they are clamouring for changes and instance based housing LMAO what do you have to say that now? i guess its not just this little corner anymore now is it? better buckle up Sweetie its now only a matter of time before a developer see our message an then brings to our loving producer Yoshida-san

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Let’s stop pretending this is about “winning” or dunking on people and bring it back to the system.

No one here is arguing against instanced housing. What’s being said, repeatedly, is that every implementation has trade-offs, and pretending otherwise is disingenuous.

Instanced housing introduces its own fairness issues (timers, size parity, pricing, social visibility). Wards already have fairness issues. Pointing that out is not resistance to change, it’s acknowledging reality.

“Fair” does not mean “everything identical.” Equal price, equal size, equal plots would remove choice, not create it. Some players want small houses. Some want mediums. Some value location or community spaces. That nuance matters.

An overnight overhaul or removal of wards would cause massive disruption, especially on RP-heavy worlds. Square Enix knows this, which is why changes have always been incremental.

For clarity: my forum account age doesn’t reflect how long I’ve been playing or engaging with housing systems. I’ve been around long enough to have experienced multiple iterations of housing and server moves, which is why I’m focused on trade-offs rather than absolutes.