"We're people too." To the producer and Dev team of this MMORPG

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Originally Posted by Moonlite

This is such a strange comment to me. If someone is not doing their job properly, when did it become wrong to not want them dismissed? 14 is a customer service based product. While the devs might have more technical skills then say a waiter. If they fail to continuously to deliver for customers companies need to look to move on. Keeping people who are performing poorly at their jobs creates problems on multiple levels. Customer is unhappy, employer isn't happy, and the employee can't be enjoying doing a poor job and then getting that fact thrown back at them by the first two.

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Would you call for a waiter to be fired because you don't like how the chef makes the soup? That's what's going on here.

More to the point, you equate your dislike of the product with an employee performing poorly at their job. The former is not related to the latter. With rare exception, each individual's performance at their job on the dev team is so far removed from us as customers as to be imperceptible. All we see is the end product, we don't see the instructions given to each employee, the constraints they were working under, the resources available to them, etc. We have limited capacity to judge job performance. And certainly you can't say a single person in the team is bad at their job because the end product was not to your personal taste.

But, even if we could judge job performance and we knew someone was underperforming at their role, it's still rude as hell to antagonize them by calling for them to be fired. Or to send them death threats. Or to smeer or degrade them in a public forum. It's rude online and offline. A bit of compassion goes a long way.

This thread should have ended at the "this is a partnership" bit, not used as some aggro stepping stone for your own feedback.

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Originally Posted by DiaDeem

Yeah, I know you are. That's why you shouldn't be working on 6 (or however many) different projects at the same time.

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This.

Which also goes back to what I said in an earlier post, about how (apparently) little of the income the game generates actually gets fed back into the game.

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Originally Posted by Exmo

Would you call for a waiter to be fired because you don't like how the chef makes the soup? That's what's going on here.

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If they keep messing up the order and browbeat you for criticizing the chef, then yeah, lol.

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

If they keep messing up the order and browbeat you for criticizing the chef, then yeah, lol.

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In other words for the thing I said, no.

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Originally Posted by Exmo

In other words for the thing I said, no.

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I did and I think it's a pretty sorry thing for the weakest link to drag the entire team down, but don't let me stop you from defending toxic workers, lol.

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

I did and I think it's a pretty sorry thing for the weakest link to drag the entire team down, but don't let me stop you from defending toxic workers, lol.

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Truly a waffles-pancakes moment going on here. Reread what I said, then what you said, then reflect how they're different unrelated things.

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Originally Posted by Exmo

Truly a waffles-pancakes moment going on here. Reread what I said, then what you said, then reflect how they're different unrelated things.

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I did, you are refusing to flesh out your argument because the moment we point out the simple fact that the ones asking for our money are acting like they know better than the customers, your half baked argument falls apart. You are defending a mulitbillion yen corpo, and paying a monthly sub to do it, lmao.

I have lost hope a longtime ago if 8.0 isn't good I am done with 14 after soany hours I will be done with it omg this is insane... like I have all art book too and tried to get all statue. even lore book! and yet I am now ready to leave 14 to keep the better memories over what we have now

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Originally Posted by Exmo

I've been consistently on topic with all my posts in this thread. On the other hand, you're repeatedly off topic with some posts containing nothing other than personal attacks.

It's funny that you asked in what way you are downplaying the personhood of the developers, I explained, and you just totally failed to address or comprehend it. You're here defending toxic criticism for christ's sake. You were calling for a developer to be fired. You have no leg to stand on. I believe the community as a whole rejects the fanatical attitude you're representing here.

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ok...

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Originally Posted by Kahnha

they are people and more importantly under a corporation so they do not have the full say in what will get done in the end it's important that we do not attack the producer or Dev team for this fact alone. Constructive criticism and eventually voting with our wallets will make things better in the long run. Can imagine what you're saying about harsher words from the JP side of the community; Jp are serious about their jobs and Yoshi and team look to have royally screwed up he plumbing.

That said it is Karen like behavior to attack the cashier for what store management has decided that's what attacking the Dev team equates to. xD

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here you are. tell me more about how I want them to be harassed.

Again we have nothing else to speak on with Kate she is not like the rest of the Dev team she has outted herself as an individual that has divisive views and is a brand risk.

her being a brand risk It's equivalent to an Amazon worker spouting pro maga nonsense fire him.
You based on all this nonsense you keep pushing now have to argue that the amazon worker should keep their job because they are a person.

either way They have nothing to do with this topic of the dev team receiving feedback for the quality of the game. stay on topic :3