Forked Tower premade patch coming before 7.3

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

The entry mechanic has the option to trade more ciphers to improve your odds of getting in. The "discourteous, selfish" players are the only ones engaging with it as it was originally designed and intended. What other use could it possibly serve? If the developers had originally intended for the 'pre-made only' situation that the content is in then they likely would not have included the ability to sneak up to the pavilion and drop a fat load of ciphers to snipe a spot. This update is them acknowledging that their design didn't fit the content, and changing it.

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The content clearly has an identity crisis, as it also has a means for those progressing far into the Forked Tower to spawn a mob for others to get sanguinite - allowing people to fully gear without setting foot in the tower. That you choose to weaponise an extremely antisocial disruptive act as the intended design decision and ignore the social design decisions says a lot more about you than it does about the content.

I lament that organised runs will soon not be able to help other players get sanguinite because of people that share your attitude and outlook.

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Originally Posted by LegendWait

I mean, if you cant even read and understand what's being discussed in this thread, how do you expect to pf up and use shout chat to coordinate 48 effectively.

You don't even do current extreme trials, this is way harder than that. Its not a wipe and pull again situation, its a wipe and try again in 60 minutes situation.

This is simply not content for casuals. Its content for people who are willing to try something hard and do the actual effort.

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I'd agree this is precisely what is wrong with it.

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Originally Posted by Neclord

The content clearly has an identity crisis, as it also has a means for those progressing far into the Forked Tower to spawn a mob for others to get sanguinite - allowing people to fully gear without setting foot in the tower. That you choose to weaponise an extremely antisocial disruptive act as the intended design decision and ignore the social design decisions says a lot more about you than it does about the content.

I lament that organised runs will soon not be able to help other players get sanguinite because of people that share your attitude and outlook.

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From what people in this thread and others have said, they're not helping others get that because they can skip the puzzle and not spawn that mob and that's become the new meta.

In regards to the OP, I've been curious since they announced it whether this would mean that each group would spawn a new instance or they would find 48 spots in an already-occupied instance. And with point 5 that comes later, I'm curious how long that timer is and if they will allow others into the instance after the timer is up. We'll probably still see a lot of the issues we currently see unless they found a way to limit the instances to just the premade. Which really would be a backend type of queue system as another poster pointed out.

Also, as someone who works in software development and goes through this myself, I think this is less they can always make emergency fixes whenever they want and someone high enough up told them get this fixed now or else no matter what that may mean for current projects. Hopefully he's right that this won't affect anything for 7.3.

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Originally Posted by Yoshihara

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Again, if content is designed where it needs guides, callouts and you must be in discord to clear - it shouldn't exist. No content should be added or designed that is unable to be completed in-game with the system's in-game. Period.

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Originally Posted by LegendWait

I mean, if you cant even read and understand what's being discussed in this thread, how do you expect to pf up and use shout chat to coordinate 48 effectively.

You don't even do current extreme trials, this is way harder than that. Its not a wipe and pull again situation, its a wipe and try again in 60 minutes situation.

This is simply not content for casuals. Its content for people who are willing to try something hard and do the actual effort.

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Oooo, look at you thinking you're going to get all snippy with me. I ain't the one, honey.

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

Again, if content is designed where it needs guides, callouts and you must be in discord to clear - it shouldn't exist. No content should be added or designed that is unable to be completed in-game with the system's in-game. Period.

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I have no words other than I am glad I never have to interact with someone in game with this attitude ever.

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Originally Posted by LegendWait

I mean, if you cant even read and understand what's being discussed in this thread, how do you expect to pf up and use shout chat to coordinate 48 effectively.

You don't even do current extreme trials, this is way harder than that. Its not a wipe and pull again situation, its a wipe and try again in 60 minutes situation.

This is simply not content for casuals. Its content for people who are willing to try something hard and do the actual effort.

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FT isn't hard.. my reclears are full of casuals. You're out of touch.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

From what people in this thread and others have said, they're not helping others get that because they can skip the puzzle and not spawn that mob and that's become the new meta.

In regards to the OP, I've been curious since they announced it whether this would mean that each group would spawn a new instance or they would find 48 spots in an already-occupied instance. And with point 5 that comes later, I'm curious how long that timer is and if they will allow others into the instance after the timer is up. We'll probably still see a lot of the issues we currently see unless they found a way to limit the instances to just the premade. Which really would be a backend type of queue system as another poster pointed out.

Also, as someone who works in software development and goes through this myself, I think this is less they can always make emergency fixes whenever they want and someone high enough up told them get this fixed now or else no matter what that may mean for current projects. Hopefully he's right that this won't affect anything for 7.3.

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Then they have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. Spawning the mob and the mob being killed before the group clears boss 4 gives both people (tower and non-tower) extra sanguinite. There is literal symbiosis and co-operation built into the content that encourages people to be social. In every run I've attended we have done the mob spawn for people outside of tower.

This social aspect will be lost with private instances - and if gear for the next zone requires sanguinite upgraded gear as components for further gear upgrades, the only way you're going to get that sanguinite is by joining organised runs. At the very least, those will become easier to join due to a PF and private instance.

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

I'd agree this is precisely what is wrong with it.

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Oh I totally agree, this just dumb.

The existence of the 100 clears achievement alone suggest whoever greenlighted this didn't have a broad view of the situation.

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Originally Posted by Neclord

Then they have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. Spawning the mob and the mob being killed before the group clears boss 4 gives both people (tower and non-tower) extra sanguinite. There is literal symbiosis and co-operation built into the content that encourages people to be social. In every run I've attended we have done the mob spawn for people outside of tower.

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You are welcome to go into all the Forked Tower threads with people actively running it in Discords where they are mentioning this and argue that with them. Like Snow, he's been incredibly knowledgeable in these threads. This is from the normal mode thread.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Especially since the support fate spawns right before the final boss so not every forked instance reaches it and since it needs to solve the puzzle to spawn it’s actually time optimal to skip it which is a new meta I’m seeing forming the last few days

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