Can Square Enix stop gate-keeping mid-core contents behind Savage ILvl on release?

the good old 'what is midcore discussion' lol.
and once again people mix up difficulty and investment. two things thst arent the same thing but people use the same words to scale them so its like they think they talk about the same things but they dont xD

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Originally Posted by YukioKobayashi

People that cant even clear the current raidtier in 8+ months are imo bad at the game and dont belong in chaotic or criterion.

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Are you not reading my post on purpose? Part 4

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(who didn't play in x.0 due to various reasons)

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This includes people who were busy and unsubbed during the even-numbered patches.
Are you an elitist or just have so much time to spend on a game that you forget people have a life?
Before you say "then don't play", Chaotic was advertised as an Extreme level Alliance raid before they realised they toned it to Savage level a couple of weeks before release.

Why bother. Why do I bother writing anything.

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Originally Posted by Volgia

This only happens in PF. You can recruit people to do Criterion and Savage, if there are groups and discord servers still doing the Baldesion Arsenal why wouldn't there be groups for Chaotic?

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Are you not reading my posts on purpose? Part 5.
Jeez. People are really bad at reading on the internet aren't they?

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People who "couldn't follow the trend" are basically locked out of the content unless you spend a couple of weeks on PF/Discord begging people to join.

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Why can't they? Because Chaotic ALREADY DIED back in Feb, at least on my JP DCs. SE kept making join-while-it's-in-season contents like DR Savage and forget about them after half a year.
And it's only going to be even more deader post-7.2.

This is the last time I post anything in this thread. Seriously, please READ before you quote anyone.

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Originally Posted by TakumiHarada

I'm talking about Criterion dungeons (A huge flop btw. Please stop making those forever) and Chaotic raids.
I understand they were originally designed for people who finished Savage in x.0/2/4 complaining about "having nothing to do" in x.1/3/5, if they don't play the Ultimates.

But by locking the ILvl cap of these contents as the Savage ILvl, people who aren't interested in Savage for whatever reason (too busy with real life events, not interested in the aesthetics of the gear, etc.) are essentially locked out of these contents on release, even if they're interested in the mounts or the gear.

Of course you can clear those contents with a lower ILvl, but who would want to let people without 730 gear join a chaotic static on release?

People who complain about "not having anything to do" in x.1/3/5 will still do them even if the ILvl cap was lower, like the Unreals. The difficulty level will still be exactly the same.
It just seems to me that the current ILvl cap setting is there just to lock out people who didn't play Savage in the previous expansion, which is the thing that bugs me the most.

Before you say it, yes I know I can just mob hunt for a couple of weeks to augment all my gear (except the weapon until x.18), but that's not my point. The point is the seemingly meaningless lock-out.

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Hi, I'm the gate keeper who locks you out of content, and I'll explain why. The issue with leaving the ILvl at the minimum is the quality of players you end up with. I'm looking to clear content not babysit or carry people. If they at least invested enough time to get 5 iLvl below max they're probably decent enough to clear the content. I never see anyone lock content behind bis unless they're trying to go for the funny numbers.

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Originally Posted by Xapapetsu

Hi, I'm the gate keeper who locks you out of content, and I'll explain why. The issue with leaving the ILvl at the minimum is the quality of players you end up with. I'm looking to clear content not babysit or carry people. If they at least invested enough time to get 5 iLvl below max they're probably decent enough to clear the content. I never see anyone lock content behind bis unless they're trying to go for the funny numbers.

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God... You're really a tease aren't you. I already need to eat my words and reply again. This is really the last time. (lol)
Are you lot f**king not reading my posts on purpose? Part f**king 6. (God! People REALLY don't read!)

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Well, call me names but people act according to a game/software's design.
And I'm saying this is a bad design, and people are acting accordingly. I don't blame the people because the design allows them.

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I know, I don't blame you. That's why I blame SE on the design.

Editing even more of my own posts THAT YOU QUOTED because people REALLY don't read.

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Of course you can clear those contents with a lower ILvl, but who would want to let people without 730 gear join a chaotic static on release?

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Originally Posted by TakumiHarada

God... You're really a tease aren't you. I already need to eat my words and reply again. This is really the last time. (lol)
Are you lot f**king not reading my posts on purpose? Part f**king 6. (God! People REALLY don't read!)

I know, I don't blame you. That's why I blame SE on the design.

Editing even more of my own posts THAT YOU QUOTED because people REALLY don't read.

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You're trying to win a war, which you simply can't win. They're not going to change their design philosophy, just because people started locking out players by iLVL restrictions.
There are parties, which reach enrage without casualties. They simply do not meet DPS checks at all. This is a case, where iLVL lockouts can certainly help.
Yes the combat parameters influence player attitude to some extend, but it's all uninteresting once we can enter the content with higher iLVL.

In a few months, we're going to skip so many mechanics due to ilvl sync. It's a matter of time at this point.

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Originally Posted by TakumiHarada

God... You're really a tease aren't you. I already need to eat my words and reply again. This is really the last time. (lol)
Are you lot f**king not reading my posts on purpose? Part f**king 6. (God! People REALLY don't read!)

I know, I don't blame you. That's why I blame SE on the design.

Editing even more of my own posts THAT YOU QUOTED because people REALLY don't read.

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The thing is sqex isn't at fault. It's partially on me for gate keeping, and partially on the playerbase that lies about prog points thinking they can get carried to the end. Aside from making rotations a single button and having your character move for you, there's nothing sqex can do to make players play better and even if they did that, I promise someone will still mess up. I'm probably just jaded from PF, but I've seen too much of the worst in players.

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Originally Posted by TakumiHarada

Are you not reading my posts on purpose? Part 5.
Jeez. People are really bad at reading on the internet aren't they?


Why can't they? Because Chaotic ALREADY DIED back in Feb, at least on my JP DCs. SE kept making join-while-it's-in-season contents like DR Savage and forget about them after half a year.
And it's only going to be even more deader post-7.2.

This is the last time I post anything in this thread. Seriously, please READ before you quote anyone.

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I'm gonna sound like an old man here but back in the days of yore you had to join high raid end communities to do these with, FCs even. PF will always work on these when it's hot and people burnt out of it because it was the only meaningful repeatable content to do in 7.1
Content like this encourages people into joining raiding communities and I hope that trend continues.

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Originally Posted by Xapapetsu

..the playerbase that lies about prog points thinking they can get carried to the end.

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I have not raided in anything but EU but this is such a huge issue here. I don't have the mental capacity to sit around and watch the same person wipe the entire group over and over.

If people want and have the capacity to put up with that, more power to them, I just can't anymore.

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Originally Posted by Kohashi

there was one? o.O. Next time I go prog ultimates in crafted gear, not even upgraded. My vilan arc is starting now.

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LOL please keep me up to date I have to read the results