7.1 - Jobs, meet sandpaper

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Originally Posted by Aviatorhead

I just told you, because it forced you to stay in place longer in a pack of enemies/make choices about where you stand. Now that choice is easier because you're not rooted as long.

And I'm not saying there aren't upsides to this change, just that they are currently making the job/healers easier when everyone is asking for the opposite.

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It generally doesn't though. You just put liturgy down and tank the hits.

You don't have liturgy in every encounter.

SE hears the "players will optimise fun out of the game if you let them" and seemed to have concluded they must optimise the fun out for the players in their stead.

Now go!
Enjoy your tanks that are all 95% the same, lest the 0.001% of crazy raiders kick you for playing Paladin.
Enjoy your healers who cast glare for the entire fight and wouldn't touch a GCD heal if their lives (literally) depended on it.
Enjoy your DPS rotations that are clunky and monotonous to ensure they fit into their nice little 60s burst, god 60s burst is so beautiful, I WANNA KEEP A SHRINE TO 60s BURST IN MY ROOM, IF I SEE A 59s ABILITY MY CRIPPLING OCD WILL MAKE ME DELETE MY CHARACTER I SWEAR TO YOSHI-P SAMA!

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Originally Posted by Aviatorhead

You don't have liturgy in every encounter.

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Every dungeon is trash > trash > boss > repeat.

The first trash pull melts before Holy stun wears off because of raid buffs / full openers.

You can use Liturgy for the second trash pull.

You don't cast Holy in boss fights.

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Originally Posted by undull1

Enjoy your healers who cast glare for the entire fight and wouldn't touch a GCD heal if their lives (literally) depended on it.

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Most of the time they're casting Glare because there's nothing else to do. WAR and PLD can usually keep themselves healed to a point where usually you're not even needed, and now they're buffing GNB and even DRK towards that direction... Just so Healers can cast more Glare, or other equivalent.

The least they could do if this is the route they want to go is make the Healer attack strong enough to provide a meaningful contribution to fights...

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Originally Posted by BigCheez

In what way do you feel that Holy being a 2.5 second cast was challenging? Personally, I just found that it meant that I had to clip my GCD to heal in dungeons. You can Swiftcast your first holy and weave PoM/Assize, then you're clipping your GCD every time you want to heal.

I don't find this challenging, I find it annoying.

WHM in dungeons is exclusively oGCD healing and then burning lilies out of dungeons to proc blood lily. It doesn't really make sense for it to not be able to weave those oGCDs IMO.

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Or, the WHM can judge properly whether they'll need those lilies so they can pop it to move and weave instead of just mindlessly burning them out of combat (Keeping at least one is what I've always did and 9 out of 10 times I never need to clip GCD to heal with oGCD). Altogether with considering if they want to drop Asylum/Lilybell/Aquaveil on the last Dia/Regen Cast before they plant themselves to spam Holy.

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

Or, the WHM can judge properly whether they'll need those lilies so they can pop it to move and weave instead of just mindlessly burning them out of combat (Keeping at least one is what I've always did and 9 out of 10 times I never need to clip GCD to heal with oGCD). Altogether with considering if they want to drop Asylum/Lilybell/Aquaveil on the last Dia/Regen Cast before they plant themselves to spam Holy.

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Spoiler: You don't need those lilies.

You also don't need to cast Dia or Regen after the initial pull - in fact, it's a net loss to do so. Every GCD after the pull has been set up should be Holy. You can play generally play WHM as a pure oGCD healer in dungeons from 70 onwards. By 100, the amount of oGCD tools that you have is ridiculous. You won't even need half of them, never mind your lilies.

I'm saying there are a bunch of dungeons before LVL 90 that are also apart of the game, where you can't use liturgy.

Regardless, I reiterate, my point is that they are flattening down healers while people are asking for the opposite. Every change made is a trade off, and this one happened to trade off skill expression that I enjoyed.

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Originally Posted by BigCheez

Spoiler: You don't need those lilies.

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We don't. I'm just addressing to your point: "clipping feels bad". There was a workaround to that instead of sticking to "hurrdurr always burn all lilies out of combat."

Ofc, no more of that now. :p

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

We don't. I'm just addressing to your point: "clipping feels bad". There was a workaround to that instead of sticking to "hurrdurr always burn all lilies out of combat."

Ofc, no more of that now. :p

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Sacking your damage to cast redundant heals/DoTs is not a workaround. Even if you're clipping to heal, it makes more sense to just spam Holy.