Mastercrafts Consumables Pls Nerf

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Originally Posted by Somnolence

This is the problem.

Food and pots are HQ and high difficulty recipes, so require two macros. Depending on gear, you need HQ components as well, which also require macro or two.

So it is about 2 min of crafting for 3 pots. Pot has CD of 4:30.

If you do content where you need to pot on every pull you would need to spend as much time on DoL/DoH as raiding when accounting for timed nodes etc.

Bulk crafting this is cringe gameplay, pressing a button every minute on macro <se.1> for an hour+ while watching Youtube.

SE either needs to get rid of HQ food and buffs or implement HQ quick synth when certain conditions (such as crafting certain amount of items manually) are met.

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Why are you potting every pull? This is extremely wasteful, no wonder you're burning through them. General advice to not use expensive pots/food until your party hits enrage and actually knows the fight. I'm still just using Endwalker endgame food until I'm confident my group will clear because it's cheap and still gives a good enough buff.

But yeah no, save your pots for a group that deserves them lol, especially any pots from DT. Use Endwalker ones if you really need to.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Why are you potting every pull? This is extremely wasteful, no wonder you're burning through them. General advice to not burn expensive pots/food until your party hits enrage and actually knows the fight. I'm still just using Endwalker endgame food until I'm confident my group will clear because it's cheap and still gives a good enough buff.

But yeah no, save your pots for a group that deserves them lol.

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Not talking about myself, just putting some math for context.

TOP week1 prog required potting every pull due to dps checks.

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Originally Posted by NekoNova

Not a problem whatsoever, just people wanting the easy way out instead of investing the effort.
Either spend the effort to make these items yourself, or fork over the gil for the people who did invest the effort.

Economy 101

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Good thing you don't have #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE tag, because defending this "gameplay" yet complaining about healer 11111111111111 spam would be funny :)

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Originally Posted by Somnolence

Not talking about myself, just putting some math for context.

TOP week1 prog required potting every pull due to dps checks.



Good thing you don't have #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE tag, because defending this "gameplay" yet complaining about healer 11111111111111 spam would be funny :)

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I'd go so far as to say your math is flawed tbh. I made some of the new items yesterday and it definitely wasn't 2 minutes per craft. If you're using an umoptimized macro, then sure. However, people who actually know how to build them or people who know how crafting works by hand can push out new items in half the time.

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Originally Posted by Somnolence

TOP week1 prog required potting every pull due to dps checks.

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Those subset of players probably prepared weeks or even months in advance and it is also very likely, given i have a few HC friends, they have dedicated crafter friends they'd ask for consumables and pentamelded crafted gear (of course they pay for those and/or hand over battle materia).

Furthermore; going into an ultimate without any preparation just because they feel like it today is a trainwreck waiting to happen.

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Originally Posted by Plumerian_Ariadust

Those subset of players probably prepared weeks or even months in advance and it is also very likely, given i have a few HC friends, they have dedicated crafter friends they'd ask for consumables and pentamelded crafted gear (of course they pay for those and/or hand over battle materia).

Furthermore; going into an ultimate without any preparation just because they feel like it today is a trainwreck waiting to happen.

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Most likely yes to this. IIRC a lot of the hardcore groups have crafters they keep on retainer for their group or bulk pre-order from someone off the PF prior to the patch hitting. Depends on the group. I at least had a hand in working for a pre-order PF crafter during Endwalker and most of their purchases were bulk orders for statics.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

I'd go so far as to say your math is flawed tbh. I made some of the new items yesterday and it definitely wasn't 2 minutes per craft. If you're using an umoptimized macro, then sure. However, people who actually know how to build them or people who know how crafting works by hand can push out new items in half the time.

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I find it funny how you all ignore the meat of the argument (Mass crafting pots/food is boring and tedious) and just nitpick about details.

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Originally Posted by Somnolence

I find it funny how you all ignore the meat of the argument (Mass crafting pots/food is boring and tedious) and just nitpick about details.

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Then buy them.

Here, I'll even give you a way to make gil. Market flip. For an hour a day of your time you can make tens of millions in a week. It's not hard. I've personally pulled in 50m in a week and a half before.

If you don't want to craft because you don't find it fun, find a way to make gil. Crafting has already been nerfed into the ground for as long as I've been around to make it more accessible to people and believe it or not, some do find it fun to the point that they spend hours every day crafting.

If you don't want to do either of those things, find a sugar daddy I guess.

Labor theory of value is action. This is actually funny.

Funny enough food and potions are prolly the few craftables that dont really require other crafting jobs. As for gear, if you arent going for the world 1st race with raids you can easily wait a few days to a week as crafted gear just plummets in price... crafting is just too easy nowadays...

lmao the sheer entitlement of this post. I really hope it is bait. Nobody can be like that, right?


But sure, I'll bite:
You can craft current master recipes without pentamelding. I overmelded using last expansion's materia, and not even fully pentameld. This costed me... what... 1 million in gear, and I bought up all of the materia before dawntrail which was about 2 mil. Yay, I can now craft mastery recipes and HQ them for 100%. For the remainder of this raid series at the least, so 3 mil for 6-9 months? I'll take it, already made back 5 times that investment.

You're allowed to not enjoy crafting. You don't HAVE to engage with that mechanic.
But this argument of "omg i have to pentameld and have the bestest crafter stuff ever", is nonsense. You can easily go for budget sets that are comparatively cheap and easy to attain. Sure, maybe some crafts need 2 macros instead of 1. Big whoop. If you're a casual crafter this is a non-issue. For food, you really only need to craft 33 times to get 100 food items. This is like half an hour. And you will be set for a 50 hours of combat buff. More, if you have the FC buff of extra food timer.
For pots though, if you're dumb and you use pots while progging, yes, you will consume a lot.
You're only using pots if you're reasonably certain you can reliably get to enrage every pull, and you use the pots to get that extra buff to push past enrage. If you use 2-3 pots per pull for reliable pulls, this is not a huge "cost" either to craft. 100 pots will get you through 33-50 pulls to last push, and if you still can't clear past enrage in that amount of pulls it is definitely a skill issue. And again, this is 30 minutes of crafting even for casual crafters with non-pentamelded sets. So one hour of casual crafting your raid food and your pots combined and you will be set for quite a while, weeks I would say.

You can buy the precrafts and ingredients off the MB, they're often marked up less than the final product. If you're gonna bother gathering it all yourself, yeah, you'll need to spend more time.

So you have the choice of either spending gil to save time, or spending time to save gil. Almost like real life economies.
If you think you should not have to spend gil nor time but get something in return for it, you're entitled and thinking you can have the best of both.


If you struggle to make gil: skill issue. Surprise surprise you actually need to play the game and do stuff. Shocking, I know.
Lots of things you can do to make gil, enough to avoid crafting and instead buy all the things you need.

Unless you are literally saying: "I only want to do endgame raiding and NOTHING ELSE".
In that case... you do you, but that's a silly way to play an MMO and perhaps this type of game isn't for you.
Endgame raiding is not a standalone part of the game. It's a culmination of many different interlocking mechanics and people working together with that as an endgoal for endgame raiders.