[6.0 - 6.4 Spoilers] An interesting video detailing Venat's polarizing reception

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Originally Posted by SannaR

Why would they bring that up then? It would be like filing a complaint about a poorly thought out clean up of an oil spill plan that hasn't been put into action when you're already enacting a better solution.

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Because….the people they loved lives were at risk. Also they didn’t even know if their plan was a “better” solution. Just one that might end up with their loved ones not dying. It doesn’t change the fact Hydaelyn’s plan B was extremely poorly thought out overall and in the end would result in their loved ones being destroyed. That in itself should be cause for scrutiny especially considering how much they preached to Emet in the past.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Because….the people they loved lives were at risk. Also they didn’t even know if their plan was a “better” solution. Just one that might end up with their loved ones not dying. It doesn’t change the fact Hydaelyn’s plan B was extremely poorly thought out overall and in the end would result in their loved ones being destroyed. That in itself should be cause for scrutiny especially considering how much they preached to Emet in the past.

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Ever planned ahead? I mean really far ahead, like several years ahead? Now try to plan ahead 10,000+ years ahead. Things rarely stay consistant enough over a long time that plans are going to be foolproof, and hindsight usually makes fools of everyone who plans things in long advance.

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Originally Posted by WellGramarye

Ever planned ahead? I mean really far ahead, like several years ahead? Now try to plan ahead 10,000+ years ahead. Things rarely stay consistant enough over a long time that plans are going to be foolproof, and hindsight usually makes fools of everyone who plans things in long advance.

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Well exactly. But that’s why i scoff at the idea that people really think her trusting her people and confiding in them and believing in them was any more of a gamble than relying on a single person she only just met with a plan that required 10k years of suffering and billions of lives being lost.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Well exactly. But that’s why i scoff at the idea that people really think her trusting her people and confiding in them and believing in them was any more of a gamble than relying on a single person she only just met with a plan that required 10k years of suffering and billions of lives being lost.

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Hey, I just met you, and this is crazy
But here's my blessing of light, so call me, maybe.

I'm more inclined to believe that we are not the first incarnation of Azem on the source since the sundering, and we've been honed in to our current form over the ages. We're less some random adventurer and more the Chosen One (tm). Look back on the events and history of Minfillia and Ryne's line of girls after the flood was stopped.

Hydaelyn was cooking for quite some time with these shards of Azem.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Well exactly. But that’s why i scoff at the idea that people really think her trusting her people and confiding in them and believing in them was any more of a gamble than relying on a single person she only just met with a plan that required 10k years of suffering and billions of lives being lost.

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Who says it wasn't a gamble? Everyone on every side of both the Ancient conflict and the present-day conflict around Zodiark were running on some level of luck, because everyone was in uncharted territory. Venat and the Convocation-turned-Ascians were both running with plans that held no guarantees for them, but that's because they had no other option: if you can't guarantee the result they want, you set up every factor you can and then just cross your fingers. That doesn't make the plan bad, it makes the plan 'the best you can get'--and most importantly, dramatic, because who's interested in a story about a plan with a 100% chance of success? Where's the tension in that?

Basically the only person in that whole situation who wasn't relying on luck at the end of the day was actually Amon-Fandaniel--mostly because he had a guaranteed fallback plan of 'if the Warrior of Light can't kill Zodiark, then at least Zodiark can kill Zodiark'. But then, Amon was probably the figure in the story with the largest collection of relevant knowledge to his ends; unlike everyone else, he's got a map to his destination.

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Originally Posted by Cleretic

Who says it wasn't a gamble? Everyone on every side of both the Ancient conflict and the present-day conflict around Zodiark were running on some level of luck, because everyone was in uncharted territory. Venat and the Convocation-turned-Ascians were both running with plans that held no guarantees for them, but that's because they had no other option: if you can't guarantee the result they want, you set up every factor you can and then just cross your fingers. That doesn't make the plan bad, it makes the plan 'the best you can get'--and most importantly, dramatic, because who's interested in a story about a plan with a 100% chance of success? Where's the tension in that?

Basically the only person in that whole situation who wasn't relying on luck at the end of the day was actually Amon-Fandaniel--mostly because he had a guaranteed fallback plan of 'if the Warrior of Light can't kill Zodiark, then at least Zodiark can kill Zodiark'. But then, Amon was probably the figure in the story with the largest collection of relevant knowledge to his ends; unlike everyone else, he's got a map to his destination.

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The issue for me though, and what makes her a villain is that she chose a world that she didnt even live in yet over her own and gave up on her people without even warning them and giving them a proper chance. To me, it's less of a gamble to trust your people who have far more potential and power than that of the sundered. Not to mention her whole plan? Yeah, it relied upon not even just pure luck, but contrivance. She had only intended for Emet to escape the sundering. However, its only due to Elidibus being around that we even make it to Elpis in the first place. Her plan on all sides sucked. It relies on plot contrivances and not thinking too hard to make it believable. Versus her working with her people to come up with a solution. Thats the entirety of the issue here, and the fact none of the scions call her out on sacrificing her world for ours when they then try and preach the same to Golbez is hypocrisy at its finest.

Venat worked with her own people - it's just that being far more familiar with everyone including her former Convocation co-workers (like Lahabrea), she decided that their were other people that were better to confide in to work towards a solution without accelerating the disaster.

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Originally Posted by Kozh

Then why do you and your ilk still comment on threads about Ancient/Zodiark?

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Venat did nothing wrong. :P

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Originally Posted by WellGramarye

Hey, I just met you, and this is crazy
But here's my blessing of light, so call me, maybe.

I'm more inclined to believe that we are not the first incarnation of Azem on the source since the sundering, and we've been honed in to our current form over the ages. We're less some random adventurer and more the Chosen One (tm). Look back on the events and history of Minfillia and Ryne's line of girls after the flood was stopped.

Hydaelyn was cooking for quite some time with these shards of Azem.

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While not explicitly stated, it's strongly implied every Warrior of Light (or "main" Warrior of Light for those instances where it was an entire team) has been a shard of Azem. It is only a case of "chosen one" in that Venat knew from the Elpis encounter a shard of Azem would be a necessity. The WoL being abnormally powerful is nothing more and nothing less than an extension of who their soul originally was; the blessing of light -- or traveler's ward, as it should be called -- only protects them from having their aether disrupted by outside sources.

The above said, we are given no reason to believe Venat took an active effort in shaping the WoL beyond providing her ward and some minor direction whenever a shard of Azem happened to appear. She had no way of knowing with precision when or where these shards would even appear, relying largely on what she'd learned in Elpis. Granted, one could make the argument her involvement in and of itself counts on some level, even if only in the sense she knew they would need to act (and die) in specific ways to prevent the timeline from going askew.

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Originally Posted by Denishia

Venat worked with her own people - it's just that being far more familiar with everyone including her former Convocation co-workers (like Lahabrea), she decided that their were other people that were better to confide in to work towards a solution without accelerating the disaster.

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Except…from what we know they didn’t even know the full truth either, which is pretty bad when you remember she basically consumed their souls yet couldn’t even bother to tell them the full truth. Also she worked with them to create the sundering plan. That isn’t working with her people against the current threat. That’s her working with her followers on her own plan which consists of forsaking her people.