Why is diadem a duty?

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Originally Posted by R041

What am I doing to myself? Paying a sub? That's not even an inconvenience. I fortunately have the luxury of being able to sit here and actually talk against the echo, because otherwise the only people that CAN talk on this forum are echo chambered happy drought ERP subbies. I'm just speaking my opinion that I'd like to play after MSQ, but there's nothing to actually do.

Right now I'm just talking to you fine peoples.

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When I finish MSQ, I have the following to do:

gathering
crafting
roulettes
FATEs
Hunts
Raids and trials (synced or unsynced)
PvP (I don't touch it but it's an option)
PotD/HoH
relic grinds (I'll include Eureka/Bozja here)
leveling alt jobs
housing decoration
gardening
Island Sanctuary
farming items for glamour
achievements if there are rewards I want from them
tribal quests
side quests
Treasure maps
Gold Saucer
Probably some other things I can't think of off the top of my head.

The game is filled with content to do after you reach level cap, or really any time at all once you hit the appropriate level threshold for the content. You not being interested in doing that content doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

If you're coming back just for the MSQ, you could save yourself a lot of money by waiting for the x.3 patch (which usually wraps up the latest story arc, 6.3 being an exception), sub for a month or two, do all the MSQ since the last x.3 patch then unsub again until the next x.3 patch.

Or keep paying just for the forum access if you want. The forum here really isn't much of an echo chamber. Most threads have their dissenters as much as they have their supporters and posters will frequently change between the two sides depending on the topic. The main problem would be the people who come in here convinced that everyone hates the state of the game or hates a specific portion of game design, and then resort to the ad hominem attacks (like "white knight") trying to discredit those who are still enjoying whatever it is rather than admit it's possible for others to have different opinions.

If there are parts of the game you are still enjoying, like MSQ, then great. Keep paying to participate in them. Unsub once that content is consumed then wait until sufficient new content is released to make it worth the resub.

But considering the tone of your posts, I'm finding it hard to believe that there is anything you're truly enjoying especially when you make statements like "I've been conditioned to stay subbed because of the housing system," That makes it sound like you really don't want to be here.

People might dislike being told "if you're not having fun here, play a different game" but it's good advice being given for their benefit. It makes no sense to stay in a place where you are not happy, especially when you have to keep spending money to stay. It's far better to find what makes you happy than spend your time and money on something that leaves you unhappy.

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Originally Posted by DiaDeem

It's your duty to Ishgard

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I mean, we did destroy the foundation of their faith and did a bit of regicide just to put a disowned kid in charge. I GUESS we can make a few stoves and weathervanes for them.

It is a duty because they said so, simples.

That being said, and going onto the substance of it...

1) Is Diadem OK as it is? Sure if it wants to maintain a rigid formula for what they deem as being an open world.

2) Should it be an instanced duty? No, it shouldn't. Diadem benefits from not only being a prime avenue for levelling gatherers, but it also has quite a substantial; monumental, even... Grind behind it, and one that not only facilitates getting Divine Provider, which provides the necessary material for Hand of Creation but equally progresses towards Pteranodon. Being able to progress these achievements, and levelling in general whilst queuing for other duties would be massively beneficial, and in fact, maybe a technical 'barrier' aside, there is no real downside to this. Only upsides.

I don't think people are fanboys or anything if they disagree, or whatever term this forum 'community' wants to inappropriately use... But I do think that people need to think broader scope.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

Being able to progress these achievements, and levelling in general whilst queuing for other duties would be massively beneficial, and in fact, maybe a technical 'barrier' aside, there is no real downside to this. Only upsides.

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I would think materia would be the only place you could get enough gathering in while queueing something. :rolleyes: If you're not in there to see the rare weather, you're not really there to get anything done and you may as well be in one of over 2 dozen overworld zones to gather.

We'll see what they have lined up for 6.3 in 10 days. We'll probably get another instance because nodes are still going to be added / updated for the next two updates to crafting materials. There's only so much room to add stuff.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

I would think materia would be the only place you could get enough gathering in while queueing something. :rolleyes: If you're not in there to see the rare weather, you're not really there to get anything done and you may as well be in one of over 2 dozen overworld zones to gather.

We'll see what they have lined up for 6.3 in 10 days. We could get another instance or there's room on all the nodes for a little something extra. For the sake of the fishing log, I'm hoping for another instance. :D

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What does the rare weather have to do with anything? The time taken to travel to rare nodes and dip in and out again, whilst good for Gil, is bad for progress, be it general gathering, or even just progress towards Divine Provider. Gathering in Diadem outside of collectibles (for being multi-faceted) is by far one of the more efficient ways to level, seeing as every item you gather scales according to your level (rwt EXP). In Diadem, even if you're gathering a level 10 item, it will give you the EXP gain of a level 46 item, if you are level 46, and that is all whilst bypassing the need for gear. So when you say, "You may as well be in one of over 2 dozen overworld zones to gather" - I am going to vehemently disagree with you.

and, no, there a plenty of places and duties that can give plenty of time to do other things like Diadem whilst gathering.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

When I finish MSQ, I have the following to do:

gathering
crafting
roulettes
FATEs
Hunts
Raids and trials (synced or unsynced)
PvP (I don't touch it but it's an option)
PotD/HoH
relic grinds (I'll include Eureka/Bozja here)
leveling alt jobs
housing decoration
gardening
Island Sanctuary
farming items for glamour
achievements if there are rewards I want from them
tribal quests
side quests
Treasure maps
Gold Saucer
Probably some other things I can't think of off the top of my head.

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It's sad to me that you provide this great list, and I feel nothing.

It might just be because so many core systems have been streamlined to the point that none of these except for Raids/Trials even look mildly compelling in their current state, or are so old and withered that Sync feels horrible in them.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

It's another duty that got repurposed.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

What does the rare weather have to do with anything? The time taken to travel to rare nodes and dip in and out again, whilst good for Gil, is bad for progress, be it general gathering, or even just progress towards Divine Provider. Gathering in Diadem outside of collectibles (for being multi-faceted) is by far one of the more efficient ways to level, seeing as every item you gather scales according to your level (rwt EXP). In Diadem, even if you're gathering a level 10 item, it will give you the EXP gain of a level 46 item, if you are level 46, and that is all whilst bypassing the need for gear. So when you say, "You may as well be in one of over 2 dozen overworld zones to gather" - I am going to vehemently disagree with you.

and, no, there a plenty of places and duties that can give plenty of time to do other things like Diadem whilst gathering.

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Be as vehement as you want. Nothing is going to change. :D

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

Be as vehement as you want. Nothing is going to change. :D

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You say that in confidence, as if we're not getting things like Duty Support in old content, and reworked dungeons. :confused:

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

Be as vehement as you want. Nothing is going to change. :D

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I'm vehemently disagreeing with your point on Diadem

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If you're not in there to see the rare weather, you're not really there to get anything done and you may as well be in one of over 2 dozen overworld zones to gather.

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Which is just simply incorrect. It's amazing how my point on that, only lasting 1 sentence managed to elude you so tremendously.