EndWalker's Deep Dungeon

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

As far as I’m concerned this was the last straw for me when it comes to the state of Endwalker content. All I wanted was a decent deep dungeon after going so long with hardly a reason to log into this game regularly.

And instead we’re getting more Allagan nonsense. Well done SE. Really subverted my expectations in the worst way possible at every turn, destroying my confidence in the game bit by bit with each patch.

Merry Christmas indee-oh wait silly me the patch doesn’t come out until January. And this, not until some months later. My patience is well and truly exhausted by now, now that it’s clear Endwalker can’t make a right turn at best or is deliberately designed to spite me at worst.

And so it ends in unceremonious silence.

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You remember when they cried on camera about extending the dev cycle to 4 moths?
Then released the next patch 4.5 months later, and this one 5 months later.

I just find that interesting.

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Originally Posted by Zomkei

idk, personally i really love the allagan lore. im excited to see if theres more lore hidden. besides, you don't know what the higher floors look like. the bottom floors are always ugly, and then the higher floors turn out to be beautiful. im excited for this deep dungeon!

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I have 3 issues with them going for Allagans tbh. But some of them, I think you guys can help answer.

1 - Is there anything else left to explore about Allagans? Like, what would this add that we don't already know?
2 - This is the 2nd Deep Dungeon to feature an Allagan background. And it too was tied to stuff we already knew. What else do we need to know about CT? Where Amon had his wardrobe? :I
3 - Why are we always defaulting to Allagan stuff? Like, I get they're THE world-spanning ancient civilization. But why not other stuff as well that's also quite ancient and mystical? It just feels like the Allagans had a foothold in everything, influencing virtually all that there was. Bozja? Allagan tech, even down to why Gunbreakers exist. Yanxia? Launch pad for Dalamud. Ruby Sea? HoH stopped the Calamity of Earth in the local area.
Shouldn't we explore the other stuff a bit more as well and give credit to the nations that came after? It seems like the only nations that ever mattered beyond them were the War of the Magi trio. The others just got stuck in a time bubble with "not much to explore past that".

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Originally Posted by Hafu

Some of the posts in here could be the dictionary definition of premature overreaction.

Just because it's located below the crystal tower doesn't mean there won't be significant variation in visuals and enemy variety between floor sets, you'd know prior ones already do this if you've ever set foot in the floors beyond the ones people spam for exp.

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Erm... are you the Among Us youtuber?

That said, maybe it is overreaction. I'm just exhasperated on having more Allagan stuff when there haven't been other things to explore about them. Even the new stuff we had is just filling in the blanks of stuff we already knew, like Amon on HoH. I'd like to explore a different period of the Allagan Empire if possible, and hope, if anything, that this DD can provide.
But I won't deny I'd prefer something other than the same old Technobabble Empire.

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Originally Posted by Zomkei

i can't really answer any of these as i am not the story writer. i think it just comes down to personal preference. i love the allagan story, always have from the start, but i can understand why some people don't. just like how i disliked the EW story and there's people out there who would defend it to their dying breath. i am sorry it's not something you're looking forward to it, but i certainly am haha

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That's fine. And valid! DW too much about it, I'm gonna play through it anyway and get the enjoyment I get from it anyhow :p So it's all fine at the end of the day.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

Does this mean you're gonna be mad that the third raid tier is Pandemonium again? This is just how things go with the expansion cycles. We're not done with anything leading up to Endwalker's finale until 7.0 launches. Then all of this can be "put to rest." Until then, they're going to keep putting out content that would come out all at once if they opted for the traditional annual / biannual release of expansion content the older MMOs do.

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Um... no? The thing about Pandemonium is that it hasn't been revisited again and again and again and again since the game started. This quote sums it up very nicely:

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Originally Posted by Kyrj

Why is it that I feel like we have so much Allagan crap in this game and yet it feels like they've gone nowhere with them?

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Now, I'm not going to quit the game over this or anything. I'm going still going to run it and probably enjoy myself. Who knows, maybe they'll actually do something meaningful with the Allagans here. I just feel like there are plenty of other locations to base the new deep dungeon in that are more aesthetically (and narratively) pleasing.

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Originally Posted by ABeyondDreamer

As far as I’m concerned this was the last straw for me when it comes to the state of Endwalker content. All I wanted was a decent deep dungeon after going so long with hardly a reason to log into this game regularly.

And instead we’re getting more Allagan nonsense. Well done SE. Really subverted my expectations in the worst way possible at every turn, destroying my confidence in the game bit by bit with each patch.

Merry Christmas indee-oh wait silly me the patch doesn’t come out until January. And this, not until some months later. My patience is well and truly exhausted by now, now that it’s clear Endwalker can’t make a right turn at best or is deliberately designed to spite me at worst.

And so it ends in unceremonious silence.

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It is more than last straw. It is when you are buy the cheesieburger combination meal and there is not the straw and you are take cuptop off to drink and it is spill. Story writer guild have been tell to the Yoshi to making the deep tower in the Garlemalding or the NoShadowGod land. But Yoshi is agree to disagree. Now course will not be corrected and Hildabrandt and Loprabbit is take over main qest story. Is so sad that must all play the older scroll game now to get the game of the throwns or heavensward storyline.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

I have 3 issues with them going for Allagans tbh. But some of them, I think you guys can help answer ...snip...

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i can't really answer any of these as i am not the story writer. i think it just comes down to personal preference. i love the allagan story, always have from the start, but i can understand why some people don't. just like how i disliked the EW story and there's people out there who would defend it to their dying breath. i am sorry it's not something you're looking forward to it, but i certainly am haha

Personally I love Allagan lore, but I hope the floors will be more pleasing to the eyes than the average Azys Lla / Dalamud aesthetics we're very much used to.

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Originally Posted by Destati

Um... no? The thing about Pandemonium is that it hasn't been revisited again and again and again and again since the game started. This quote sums it up very nicely:


Now, I'm not going to quit the game over this or anything. I'm going still going to run it and probably enjoy myself. Who knows, maybe they'll actually do something meaningful with the Allagans here. I just feel like there are plenty of other locations to base the new deep dungeon in that are more aesthetically (and narratively) pleasing.

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Allagans and Ascians go hand in hand. As it was noted earlier, this is likely the loose end from CT that was bound to be tied up before we properly go off on our new adventures.

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Originally Posted by Oizen

You remember when they cried on camera about extending the dev cycle to 4 moths?
Then released the next patch 4.5 months later, and this one 5 months later.

I just find that interesting.

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Yoshi was upset about delaying Endwalker's release, not the new dev cycle.

If you paid attention to the release schedule announcement, they get extra time off in December and at some point in the summer.

I am kind of hoping this ends up being like a final send-off for the Allagans because we've dealt with their business so many times throughout the prior expansions that it's starting to feel a little stale to me.

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Originally Posted by Zomkei

i can't really answer any of these as i am not the story writer. i think it just comes down to personal preference. i love the allagan story, always have from the start, but i can understand why some people don't. just like how i disliked the EW story and there's people out there who would defend it to their dying breath. i am sorry it's not something you're looking forward to it, but i certainly am haha

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I already answered, but yeah that's perfectly fine. It's not all a matter of preference, some of it IS stuff I'd like an answer for, but ultimately it's just justifications that aren't needed.
If you like the content, don't justify it. It's fine. Know that it's valid.

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Originally Posted by SannaR

@Kazemon with or without that strange backpack he's carrying in the screenshot form the 24man?

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At the end Graha opens the backpack and its just full of burgers!

Anyway, I will give my judgement on the look of it when I have actually played it. Until then I just hope that its much less strict with the RNG elements for solo clears.