Please don't harass people for ignoring/disliking the story

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

Imagine that, you generalize everyone that enjoys the story as "an emotionally volative cult", and cry when you get push back. It sounds like YOU'RE the one that needs to buckle up and accept that most people enjoy the story/game. This isn't some safe space where you can criticize anything in the game without anyone calling bullshit on it.

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Interesting take. I don't believe I see any evidence anything said in this thread is referring to "everyone that enjoys the story," however. Context would appear to indicate this particular statement applies only to those whose reactions to criticisms of the story are volatile.

In all fairness, I don't believe anyone who frequents these forums can in good faith claim individuals who come forward with criticisms of the story aren't frequently met with some rather harsh words. No matter how constructive or heartfelt their observations may be, there will ever be a group of people more than willing to jump down their throats. Similarly, there's an equally loud minority of people who detest the story and will jump down the throats of anyone coming forward in support of it. Between these two extremes lie the majority, most of whom would like to be able to discuss these matters with civility and reason rather than people coming at them with the online equivalent of a baseball bat.

The two extremes noted above have a tendency to lump anyone they disagree with in with their opposite extreme. Not everyone voicing discontent -- or content, for that matter -- is out here looking to get jumped by people lacking the ability to separate their widdle feefees from higher thought.

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

Imagine that, you generalize everyone that enjoys the story as "an emotionally volative cult", and cry when you get push back. It sounds like YOU'RE the one that needs to buckle up and accept that most people enjoy the story/game. This isn't some safe space where you can criticize anything in the game without anyone calling bullshit on it.

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There are some people who do harass those who are giving honest constructive feedback on the story and the path(s) they wish the story took instead. Those are the people I think that Lauront is referring to.

Not to the people who respond back disagreeing but in a polite and equally constructive manner.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

Interesting take. I don't believe I see any evidence anything said in this thread is referring to "everyone that enjoys the story," however. Context would appear to indicate this particular statement applies only to those whose reactions to criticisms of the story are volatile.

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"Yoshi's vision for the game has failed" that strongly implies a majority of players

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

when the "Yoshi's vision for the game has failed" that strongly implies a majority of players

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I am referring to his vision as articulated here:

https://i.imgur.com/fZoAum9.png

I am curious how building up a community that asphyxiates feedback is conducive to this.

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Originally Posted by Seera1024

There are some people who do harass those who are giving honest constructive feedback on the story and the path(s) they wish the story took instead. Those are the people I think that Lauront is referring to.

Not to the people who respond back disagreeing but in a polite and equally constructive manner.

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Indeed, you are right. Especially given the very context of this thread and when the comparison given in the post above my post being quoted, was kicking a hornet's nest; in that case, the relevant behaviour that springs to mind is that of an angered hive. Very consistent with the behaviour of those harassing people that don't like the story, and also behaviour which stifles criticism and is antithetical to what Yoshi outlined as his ideal approach to feedback for the game.

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

and how big would you say this "volatile emotional cult" is?

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I'm afraid you've confused me for someone interested in childish games. The number though is about as large as would be implied by the definition I provided...

I love all of the MSQ, can't stand Hildy personally, my favourite expansion is Stormblood which is followed by SHB, ARR wasn't so bad, but then I did content as it was released and have always done so, protect please.

I suspect the enormity of starting from 2.0 to 6.2 is possibly alot and does cause story skipping. People can skip etc and state any opinion, fair play there is no issue. Opinion is like feedback which is simply a box of chocolates which I don't always have to eat, opinions of any kind don't impact me personally. The one thing I can control is my own enjoyment, being decent and respectful to others. Anything I perceive negative and based on my own judgement I can just /shrug it off and ignore it. This game for me is entertainment, joy and to rela, that is always the outcome I aim for or I simply logoff.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

I am referring to his vision as articulated here:

https://i.imgur.com/fZoAum9.png

I am curious how building up a community that asphyxiates feedback is conducive to this.

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and how big would you say this "volatile emotional cult" is?

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Originally Posted by OM3GA-Z3RO

I don't care if people skip the story or do a level skip.

But if they start saying that the story is shit or something along the lines that they read a synopsis or watched a lore video then they deserve to be harassed, keep your opinions to yourself.

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Just going to leave this here, and I'm out of this

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Venat loves you, never forget.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

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But he's right.

So let's say you tell someone: read this book, it's really well written.
And the person reads the first 10 pages and the last 10 pages and skips the 1000 pages in between and then says: Worst story ever. A monkey could write a better story.

Would you take this person seriously?

I'm against harassment, but I would tell them: play New Game+ without skipping and then we can talk about the story

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Originally Posted by Estariel

But he's right.

So let's say you tell someone: read this book, it's really well written.
And the person reads the first 10 pages and the last 10 pages and skips the 1000 pages in between and then says: Worst story ever. A monkey could write a better story.

Would you take this person seriously?

I'm against harassment, but I would tell them: play New Game+ without skipping and then we can talk about the story

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Note the separation between their sentiments in the post. This is an individual stating people taking umbrage with the story should be harassed, and those who were skipping. Context is very important.

In other words, they're saying any and all criticisms are worthy of harassment regardless of whether or not someone has taken the time to watch the entire story.