PVP PLD Cheese Problem

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Originally Posted by Xylira

Okay, but saying 'just outplay them' changes absolutely nothing about the fact that the amount of skill and effort a team needs to put in the counter the tactic is magnitudes of order higher than the amount of skill and effort it takes a pair of players to repeatedly try and abuse the tactic.

That's the problem and why so many people have an issue with guardian capping. It's so stupidly simple and easy to try and abuse compared to the amount of effort opposing teams need to put in to shut the tactic it down. I can't speak for everyone, but for me it's incredibly irritating to play against, so I just don't bother anymore. If you have fun with it, fine, good for you, but there are a lot of people that feel it ruins the spirit of Onsal and subsequently their enjoyment of the map.

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This, pretty much.

"Just be the superior team", while not untrue advice, isn't helpful advice. Pld cheese aside, all teams generally want to be the better team at killing. And it happens just as often as not that the teams that do a good job at killing also happen to cheese, because they're not really correlated. If between 2-5 people focus on the cheesing and the rest of the team just play normally and do a good job of killing, you have a team that goes full ham on cheese, and also dominates BH.
So "simply focus on kills" isn't something that's going to cut it in many cases.

The stereotypical cheese scenario also isn't a paladin and partner openly running all alone up to the ovoo with nobody else around for miles, suicidally declaring their intent to abuse.
In the majority of cases there's a huge, vibrating ball of squirming limbs and fireworks thrashing its way towards the ovoo from 2 or 3 directions, and then from the chaos, the cheese emerges, already in full motion.
And no. I'm not going to hang back, and scan the entire crowd looking specifically for paladins, and then attempt to wade through the entire enemy front line in order to cut them off.
Which is why I don't go to Onsal anymore. It may be the way things are supposed to be done nowadays, but I think it's an idiotic idea that such is the case.

Well it looks like this is getting addressed in 6.25. From the live letter,

One PvP adjustment that will happen in 6.25 is the Cover, we will change the system here

No specifics but something is gonna change.

It seems the complaints have been heard.

knock backs and pulls on the pld that is covering. it does not take alot to force them to move and break cover. I think honestly, you can keep cover in game, just make it so if they use another ability like heal, the LB, or shield it breaks cover.

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Originally Posted by MsMisato

knock backs and pulls on the pld that is covering. it does not take alot to force them to move and break cover. I think honestly, you can keep cover in game, just make it so if they use another ability like heal, the LB, or shield it breaks cover.

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Stop using logic

YES! Thanks SE is going to change this issue. :)
It is truly a big problem

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Originally Posted by MsMisato

knock backs and pulls on the pld that is covering. it does not take alot to force them to move and break cover. I think honestly, you can keep cover in game, just make it so if they use another ability like heal, the LB, or shield it breaks cover.

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Again why I should become those jobs that has knockback and other CC only to kill a PLD? I want to play as healer there :mad:

Also thank you SE for recognizing the problem after a months ignoring it...

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Originally Posted by MsMisato

knock backs and pulls on the pld that is covering. it does not take alot to force them to move and break cover. I think honestly, you can keep cover in game, just make it so if they use another ability like heal, the LB, or shield it breaks cover.

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The push from mch It Is too short. The pull from war works only half the time (cause you have to be at max range to pull to the max distance).
Drk i dunno how It works but i think Is similar to war.
Only mnk i think Is 100% sure to work. And then It prob dies..

ALL OF THIS IN THE MIDST OF 72 PPL FIGHTING.

Also, lets Say they start the exploit, One second later you use the mnk push, 2 sec of animation.. It remains 2 second to Attack the player that has now Lost the cover.. you know what Will happen, right? (And you cant Say It Is not true, my LB of ninja It says It Is INSTANT but i can count 2 mississipis BEFORE It goes off).
I'll tell you anyway: more than half the time the server Will not recongnize in time if the clicking player has been attacked, letting him complete the cast of reclaiming the oovoo. (Also this happens a lot when i Attack someone using a potion while at 78/80% of casting and they still get It.. It Is the same principle)..

Also dnc and reaper lb do not works on limit+cover, only guard+cover (or It was the contrary cant Remember)..
My point Is that this exploit Is so DAMN Easy to pull of, and so DAMN difficult to counter that It Is imbalanced. It Is way easier to Just change ti pld and do the same.

Not trying to Say It Is IMPOSSIBLE, but IN PRACTICE (as stated OVER AND OVER) It Is so DAMN difficult that, or you stop the PLDs BEFORE they get to the node, or It does not matters what you do, you are screwed 95% of the time. Better leave oovoos and focus killing, prayng rnjesus..