The Devs need a much needed thanks!

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

I appreciate your courage, AlaineIV. You knew this forum was full of haters, that the haters hate anyone who dares to not hate what they hate, and would therefor direct their hate at you. But you posted anyway, so for you, kudos and a true story:

My spouse plays FFXIV but doesn't read the forums, except for things like Camie Tsukino's posts that I send her links to. At dinner out tonight, we were discussing glamours, and I mentioned a cash shop item.
My spouse, out of nowhere, said "I should really take a look through Mog Station. I'd like to buy something from it to thank the developers."
I just smiled.

Then we tipped the waitress $10 in cash on a $45 total bill, because she'd been very pleasant and professional and we'd enjoyed our dinner.

I doubt many of the haters here would have done that. The haters would maybe have thought there was too much ice in the drinks, or that the meal couldn't possibly have cost $45 to make, and used that as an excuse to not tip at all. That's their way.

You should be happy that you aren't like the haters, AlaineIV.
I think you understand that:

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I’m sorry but saying people who have valid criticisms against a game are people who wouldn’t tip is both a straw man and just immature

We aren’t haters we just have standards

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

No, I don't.

I can praise my spouse but overlook their mistakes.
After four decades together, that seems to work pretty well.
I don't see that I need to treat the devs any different.

Like my spouse, and unlike most forum posters, the devs have brought a lot of fun into my life.
So like my spouse, I cut the devs some slack.

BTW, there's evidence that punishment may not be a good tool for training dogs. (https://arstechnica.com/science/2022...ining-to-heel/).
If those findings generalize to other mammals, abusing the devs here in the forums may not produce the results the abusers are hoping for.

[Edit: and may be a reason why the devs don't seem to pay any attention to the English forums.]

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I don't think I need to tell you this, but you are not in a relationship with the development team. It's all parasocial. The only one relationship you're in with them is customer/service provider. And if it's not working out, but you know they can do better, would you not say something?

No one's punishing the devs. This isn't Pavlov's Dog. Expressing exhasperation, disappointment or frustration is a healthy thing when justified. And some of it IS justified :| People going overboard and being disrespectful? I get criticising that. People bringing up negative aspects and expressing disappointment? The devs asked for feedback, not an echo chamber of applause.

Silverbane...

...please stop smoking the Gysahl Greens, this isn't sane.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

I don't think I need to tell you this, but you are not in a relationship with the development team. It's all parasocial. The only one relationship you're in with them is customer/service provider. And if it's not working out, but you know they can do better, would you not say something?

No one's punishing the devs. This isn't Pavlov's Dog. Expressing exhasperation, disappointment or frustration is a healthy thing when justified. And some of it IS justified :| People going overboard and being disrespectful? I get that. People bringing up negative aspects and expressing disappointment? The devs asked for feedback, not an echo chamber of applause.

Silverbane...

...please stop smoking the Gysahl Greens, this isn't sane.

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If Silverbane is in a relationship with the dev team, she's in an abusive relationship lol

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

I’m sorry but saying people who have valid criticisms against a game are people who wouldn’t tip is both a straw man and just immature

We aren’t haters we just have standards

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You're a hater because you don't kiss the feet of the devs when they screw up for the millionth time in a row :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

Like my spouse, and unlike most forum posters, the devs have brought a lot of fun into my life.
So like my spouse, I cut the devs some slack.

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If I was a Square Enix dev and I was reading this I would be seriously creeped out.

I'm getting a massive sense of deja vu here. I feel like I've seen this thread worded slightly differently every time there's a controversy

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I'm getting a massive sense of deja vu here. I feel like I've seen this thread worded slightly differently every time there's a controversy

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Because there's a group of people who see threads rightfully talking about how SE screwed up something, and they feel the need to make a 'counter thread'.

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If I was a Square Enix dev and I was reading this I would be seriously creeped out.

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If I was a SE dev and I paid attention to the forums, I'd have gotten a divorce years ago.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

Because there's a group of people who see threads rightfully talking about how SE screwed up something, and they feel the need to make a 'counter thread'.



If I was a SE dev and I paid attention to the forums, I'd have gotten a divorce years ago.

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It’s 100% the best example of GCBTW, pretending everyone is happy go lucky and the game is perfect is more important than actually fixing the game

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Originally Posted by AlaineIV

Despite this last week and the amount of flak that they received, they work extremely hard to bring us a game that is much loved and enjoyed. The amount of hate I have seen this past week because a class can't do 1% more damage is absurd in the slightest, but then again that is only less than 2% of the community most likely complaining. Those that are complaining are the ones that have zero ideal what they are talking about and are only outcrying what their favorite streamer is telling them to outcry.

Again: Thank you Devs for bringing us an amazing game. I know mistakes are made, we are all human and you all do your best to fix it. I look forward to seeing what you bring in 6.25 and 6.3.

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No, they don't.

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

No, I don't.

I can praise my spouse but overlook their mistakes.
After four decades together, that seems to work pretty well.
I don't see that I need to treat the devs any different.

Like my spouse, and unlike most forum posters, the devs have brought a lot of fun into my life.
So like my spouse, I cut the devs some slack.

BTW, there's evidence that punishment may not be a good tool for training dogs. (https://arstechnica.com/science/2022...ining-to-heel/).
If those findings generalize to other mammals, abusing the devs here in the forums may not produce the results the abusers are hoping for.

[Edit: and may be a reason why the devs don't seem to pay any attention to the English forums.]

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Uh..... what?

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

It doesn't take courage to post on an online forum. If you think it does, you're a coward. And I say this as someone with a lot of opinions that aren't 'mainstream'. Also, labeling anyone and everyone as a 'hater' if they don't shower Yoshi and his team of devs with constant praise is just trying to invalidate the people who don't think that praise should be a participation trophy. Although if we want to be fair, you're a pretty hateful person yourself Silverbane. Are you sure that you aren't a 'hater'?

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Yeaaaaahhhh.... This is probably gonna sound more than a bit like a tongue-twister, but here we go. If you go around calling everyone and their 90 year old grandmother who routinely bakes the entire neighborhood cookies, and the ones you constantly label as haters DON'T do this.....

What renders you so assuredly certain YOU are not the hateful one?

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

I used to as well, but they've burnt through the goodwill they've built up with me throughout the years. SE is not my friend. They're not my spouse. They're a business, and if they don't treat me, as one of their customers, correctly I will criticize them.

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Cue the mental images of Yoshi-P as your doting husbando.

Please look foward to it~

https://i.imgur.com/Um6Yv0u.jpg

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

I don't think I need to tell you this, but you are not in a relationship with the development team. It's all parasocial. The only one relationship you're in with them is customer/service provider. And if it's not working out, but you know they can do better, would you not say something?

No one's punishing the devs. This isn't Pavlov's Dog. Expressing exhasperation, disappointment or frustration is a healthy thing when justified. And some of it IS justified :| People going overboard and being disrespectful? I get criticising that. People bringing up negative aspects and expressing disappointment? The devs asked for feedback, not an echo chamber of applause.

Silverbane...

...please stop smoking the Gysahl Greens, this isn't sane.

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Yeah, that's for the Chocobros!

You don't see humans eating dog food! ......Well, some do. But they're weird, and we don't talk about them.

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Uh..... what?

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It's a Silverbane post. It's best to not think too hard about it...