PvP is simply garbage

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Originally Posted by Sacro

Almost makes me want to go back to WoW. At least then I know I'm not being ignored because of where I live. But because everyone is being ignored. "Here you are all equally worthless" is preferable to "Some are more equal than others".

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The reason is that in JP they actually write good and informative lengthy feedback and have a nice discussion in their threads. In EU/NA its just people screaming "PLEASE FIX THIS IS OP/BAD" without anything else and then 2/3 of the comments are trolls :p Also looking at the general forum here I would be so happy they would 100% ignore everything that is written here

angry people raging demanding calling names sounds like pvp players to me chill and stop being babys the forums are for reason and logical feed back not ranting post's

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Originally Posted by Arzalis

Frontlines is pretty bad right now. The fact they removed CC diminishing returns is just baffling to me. You can be stunned from 0->100 and premades are taking advantage of this. I'm fine with some CC and understand premades have a bit of an advantage, but you shouldn't be able to prevent someone from actually playing entirely like that. Purify is pretty bad too. I'm pretty sure it works on less things than it doesn't at this point.

If you do somehow manage to survive with something like a lucky guard that the server was on your side for and prevent the CC, you'll just get pulled back and die anyway the moment guard is over.

I actually saw someone get pulled 3-4 times in a row in one of my more recent frontlines matches. The fact that's even possible is pretty rough.

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I'd like to see them use something similar to swtor's resolve system where the bar fills up every time you get stunned/mezzed and once its full you can't be stunned again for 15 seconds and roots turn into slows. Two 8 second stuns/mezzes would max out the bar and smart players would save their CC break for when their resolve bar was full giving them 15s of immunity.

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Originally Posted by george357

angry people raging demanding calling names sounds like pvp players to me chill and stop being babys the forums are for reason and logical feed back not ranting post's

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I have never once seen you contribute to a thread...All your posts are like this where its basically just insults and trolling.

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Originally Posted by GordonGeeko

Is that the consensus nowadays ? Because everyone I used to PVP with has stopped playing because they hate it now.

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Almost everyone I talk to prefer pre 6.1. My theory is that, pre 6.1, the negative PvP stigma was too strong for SE to hype it up. The negativity stems mostly from the awful start PvP had in ARR, and how long time SE used to attempt to fix anything. Even the complete workaround for stormblood and shadowbringers did nothing 'cause they didn't really try to sell it. For some reason, when Yoshi P himself showcased the new 6.1 PvP, the hype got real, and PvP got praised before release "finally they fixd it". This showcase that AAA companies, like SE, really knows how to create herd mentality lol. Imo, 6.1 PvP has some excellent ideas, like job specific LBs, but overall worse than pre 6.1. Now that the initial hype has died, peeps starts to complain like crazy again. So, PvP hasn't really been "fixed".

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Originally Posted by Ransu

I'd like to see them use something similar to swtor's resolve system where the bar fills up every time you get stunned/mezzed and once its full you can't be stunned again for 15 seconds and roots turn into slows. Two 8 second stuns/mezzes would max out the bar and smart players would save their CC break for when their resolve bar was full giving them 15s of immunity.

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Not a bad suggestion, but I think how the immunity worked pre 6.1 was just fine; we don't want to make it too complicated for SE lol. Dunno why they removed it; I can't really see the design benefit in either CC or FL for not having it.

I don't think resolve is really all that complicated. I especially enjoyed having a visual representation of when when someone could or could not be stunned. I never really cared for how DR works and the lack of visual cues for it.

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Originally Posted by Nanne

The reason is that in JP they actually write good and informative lengthy feedback and have a nice discussion in their threads. In EU/NA its just people screaming "PLEASE FIX THIS IS OP/BAD" without anything else and then 2/3 of the comments are trolls :p Also looking at the general forum here I would be so happy they would 100% ignore everything that is written here

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Originally Posted by george357

angry people raging demanding calling names sounds like pvp players to me chill and stop being babys the forums are for reason and logical feed back not ranting post's

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The problem with your statement is that there is feedback that is helpful. Not everything that needs fixing in PvP needs an essay. Some of it is short and sweet. This thread has plenty of useful suggestions, on everything from the problems with crowd control to the poor 2005 era feeling netcode for this game needing a complete overhaul.

These are both actionable feedback that doesn't require an essay.

And frankly, the longer a community is ignored the more resentful and angry they get, so SE shares part of the blame.

But helpfully for SE they have people like you willing to gaslight the community, telling them it's their fault they don't enjoy the game, and everything about it is wonderful.

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Originally Posted by Sacro

The problem with your statement is that there is feedback that is helpful. Not everything that needs fixing in PvP needs an essay. Some of it is short and sweet. This thread has plenty of useful suggestions, on everything from the problems with crowd control to the poor 2005 era feeling netcode for this game needing a complete overhaul.

These are both actionable feedback that doesn't require an essay.

And frankly, the longer a community is ignored the more resentful and angry they get, so SE shares part of the blame.

But helpfully for SE they have people like you willing to gaslight the community, telling them it's their fault they don't enjoy the game, and everything about it is wonderful.

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SE / Yoshida / the dev team is not obliged having to skim through a wasteland of threads filled with toxic notations just to filter the helpful suggestions.

Just because SE is a professional company by business standards does not mean they need to put their employees' mental health in jeopardy from having to go through the sheer load of negativity just because they didn't deliver all demands.

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Originally Posted by Guesswhat

Almost everyone I talk to prefer pre 6.1.

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Then why is it that no one play The Feast pre 6.1? I wanted to get the mount but the queue always dead even during peak hour.

3.5 months after CC released with most people already finished the Series reward, queue for Casual still popping in less than a min.

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Originally Posted by Dionysius

Then why is it that no one play The Feast pre 6.1? I wanted to get the mount but the queue always dead even during peak hour.

3.5 months after CC released with most people already finished the Series reward, queue for Casual still popping in less than a min.

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Not who you asked, but many factors basically:
- role restriction without seeing what role is missing
- extreme reliance on the healer since gamemode was centered around KOing targets with enough medals or key targets to prevent pressure. Potions helped, but it was still 70% healer diff
-.gamemode design was not quite intuitive and understanding win conditions was a pain until highest ranks

Source: personal exp + sophisticated guesses

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Originally Posted by Dionysius

Then why is it that no one play The Feast pre 6.1? I wanted to get the mount but the queue always dead even during peak hour.

3.5 months after CC released with most people already finished the Series reward, queue for Casual still popping in less than a min.

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Bad reputation, big forums just saying people not to play the mode and there being basically 0 rewards for placing outside the top 100 :p