Third party tools are a game design failing in a multi-platform game

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Originally Posted by Droxybrobotnik

I play the game in a way I'm more happy with without cheating. I don't give a damn about consoles, there is a reason why so many opts to spend extra on PC

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Except that's not the business choice Square Enix have made. I don't think the game is PC-first or console-first but there's a massive player base on both platforms and I'd assume it's probably a 50-50 split between them. There's a duty on SE to ensure they're designing a product that's fit for both audiences and is equal between both audiences. If there wasn't cross-platform multiplayer and it was two separate player bases, this wouldn't be a discussion at all, but because everyone plays together, it has to be equal.

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Originally Posted by Johners

Except that's not the business choice Square Enix have made. I don't think the game is PC-first or console-first but there's a massive player base on both platforms and I'd assume it's probably a 50-50 split between them. There's a duty on SE to ensure they're designing a product that's fit for both audiences and is equal between both audiences. If there wasn't cross-platform multiplayer and it was two separate player bases, this wouldn't be a discussion at all, but because everyone plays together, it has to be equal.

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Don't care. PC allows you to do many things console can't, either spend the money or live with console limitations, it's cold hard fact and what console centric japanese says doesn't affect that.

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Originally Posted by Droxybrobotnik

Don't care. PC allows you to do many things console can't, either spend the money or live with console limitations, it's cold hard fact and what console centric japanese says doesn't affect that.

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For cross-platform games, individual platform "advantages" should be superficial; Better graphics, better refresh rate, better resolution? Sure. But playing on PC shouldn't allow for better player performance. "If you want to be able to play better you should spend money on a PC!" is a ridiculous statement.

How can PC and Console even be equal, its not possible the interface itself is already different, the input devices are different. Someone playing on mouse and keyboard vs controller already has a very different game experience.

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Originally Posted by Cyd3l

How can PC and Console even be equal, its not possible the interface itself is already different, the input devices are different. Someone playing on mouse and keyboard vs controller already has a very different game experience.

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You do realize you can do either methods on both platforms right?

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Originally Posted by Cyd3l

How can PC and Console even be equal, its not possible the interface itself is already different, the input devices are different. Someone playing on mouse and keyboard vs controller already has a very different game experience.

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PC can use controllers and consoles can use keyboard/mouse. Those differences are a choice that the player makes, they're not locked out of the other because of the platform they're playing on. Also, both are on a fairly level playing field regardless of what they pick. It's not a shooter where kbm is twice as good.

I'm not sure what you mean by the interface being different, I can assure you that it's functionally the same.

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Originally Posted by Jaquan

ACT in itself isn't seen as QoL but as a tool. Tool that by high end raiders on PC scene is nowadays seen as mandatory as it gives you insight you'd normally not have without extra work. Tool that ends up speeding progression as it allows to pinpoint issues much more reliably than you'd ever could without it. Same tool that basically eliminated console players from World First Race which frankly prompted YoshiP to once again remind us that plug-ins and add-ons are against ToS.

I won't say I'm against all plug-ins. I'd be a hypocrite if I did. Personally I'd prefer nothing more than just return to the blissful "don't tell, don't show" status quo. Ultimately we're not going to get anything better than that. With plug-ins clocking at close to thousands and the game being cross platform there's no way SE will ever create a curated list of which are good and harmless, and which are basically cheats. Putting aside that it would basically be an official statement that console version is inferior, (yet costs the same and pays same amount for subscription) it would also require to keep all the plug-ins under constant watch as they change. Some of approved could gain undesired functions while some blacklisted might lose ones that made them bad.

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ACT is more trouble than its worth, honestly. It's been the source of much grief. I've dealt with it firsthand.

I started in '19 and my first current tier EX trial venture was Hades. I was in a learning party and this white mage was being very rude and harassing me, saying it was better just to leave me down. The group lead eventually dropped them for this behavior. They were clearly parsing but obviously didn't want to say so. They could have made a suggestion about my materia melds or something (which ended up being part of the problem). They chose to be an asshole. Following this, I started using Stone Sky Sea to gauge my performance. I adjusted and improved. Perhaps this feature could use a slight tweak to maybe give more info, but it seems a great way to gauge whether or not you know your own rotation and have the right gear.

When getting into BLU Morbol content, you really didn't need DPS meters. Any problems were immediately visible with the one person whose HP didn't line up with everyone else.

Generally speaking, there are sufficient cues in a fight to tell where things need improving. Usually, it's the fact that someone's getting KO'd too much. If I'm tanking a dungeon and I feel like I'm burning through too many cooldowns on pulls, someone's lacking and I need to scale it back. At that level and even in extremes, you really only need to make sure you're in the best possible gear and eat the right food.

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Originally Posted by Cyd3l

How can PC and Console even be equal, its not possible the interface itself is already different, the input devices are different. Someone playing on mouse and keyboard vs controller already has a very different game experience.

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Both input methods can be used on PC or console. I know people that play controller on PC and people that play KB+M on console. The default game is equal between the two platforms and there's many scenarios in which the lowest end PC experience is worse than what you can do on the base PS4.

This isn't about the default game client experience, the differences are some graphics options and that's it really, but rather it's entirely about already prohibited third0party tools that Square Enix can't correctly screen or moderate.

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Originally Posted by LeonKeyh

For cross-platform games, individual platform "advantages" should be superficial; Better graphics, better refresh rate, better resolution? Sure. But playing on PC shouldn't allow for better player performance. "If you want to be able to play better you should spend money on a PC!" is a ridiculous statement.

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Life isn’t fair, sorry. PlayStation players subjective themselves to a limit experience is the consequence they chose when they picked the platform to play on.

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Originally Posted by Ivtrix

Life isn’t fair, sorry. PlayStation players subjective themselves to a limit experience is the consequence they chose when they picked the platform to play on.

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My dad said the same thing when a certain country invaded another country. :(