Is Pyromancer getting a perm ban for having Dalamud?

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Originally Posted by VillainQueen

It's not only the chat tho. While he did the 2nd Endwalker trial for example a healer rescured him into the safe zone and he threw a hissy fit. Often he blames his teammates for his mistakes so much that even his chat doesn't really want him to play with real people anymore. None of these other players deserve to be berated and humiliated on stream just because he can't control himself.

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Yup, he has, several times, complained about people that he's playing with as well. It got especially bad in Endwalker, but he didn't want to be rescued and didn't want to listen to overviews of the fights. Then, he would spend a good deal of time on the floor complaining that he had "no idea what was going on." He got pissed at people for walking in front of him in some dungeons because he wanted to take screenshots seemingly not remembering that Twitch has a pretty serious delay. He'd say "Could you move, I want to take a screenshot" and 2 seconds later when they didn't move (because they didn't hear that yet) he'd get pissed at them.

Overall, anger issues are understandable. Hell, I have anger issues. I've broken controllers, keyboards, mice, etc due to anger issues in games. But, people like me that have those issues NEED to learn to not direct them to objects (or internally) NOT the people. There's no excuse for abusing people. Period. You want to defend him for flipping out at the game? some piece of hardware? himself? Go for it. But nobody should excuse abusing another person.

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Originally Posted by VillainQueen

It's not only the chat tho. While he did the 2nd Endwalker trial for example a healer rescured him into the safe zone and he threw a hissy fit. Often he blames his teammates for his mistakes so much that even his chat doesn't really want him to play with real people anymore. None of these other players deserve to be berated and humiliated on stream just because he can't control himself.

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For anyone who actually watches his streams regularly, he doesn't like being Rescued. He focuses really hard on keeping up his Black Mage rotation and typically does a good job of using his own movement abilities to get around as needed. You said yourself in your response below that you don't even know who he is aside from reading on Reddit. I'm not trying to excuse his behavior by any means, but if you're going to comment as fact then you should probably have your own information instead of peddling it second-hand.

Nobody deserves it but i have watched Pyro’s streams and I have seen him apologize to the chat for his outbursts almost every time he has one, ive seen him go back and undo timeouts he realized were uncalled for and apologized for them.

Mistakes don’t define a person, and people who play with him choose to do so, knowing what he deals with, knowing he could rant or pop off.

Being unable to hold back doesn’t mean you’re the asshole, because as some who has struggled and continues to struggle with anger problems in the past believe me you feel a lot worse for a lot longer once you calm down and realize what you’ve done than those who had it happen, you beat yourself up you blame yourself you get angry at yourself because you know you should be better you shouldn’t have reacted that way but you cant help it. You know those who suffer your anger don’t deserve it and you end up hating yourself for doing it.

This is why I said empathy is important. Yes, he has to take responsibility for his actions, no anger issues aren’t a carte blanche excuse to do whatever you want, but it is also not a reason to condemn a man especially if you don’t know what it’s like to have anger issues. To be on medication for them.

You want to say he played with fire for showing off and (arguably) promoting ui mods, that’s one thing. Judging his character as a person as an excuse to justify mass reporting and saying he deserves his ban because you dont like how he is. Is wrong, and abhorrent behavior. His interactions with his chat have nothing to do with his ban, and should not be used to justify it.

Because if it’s okay to justify pyro’s ban for his behavior, than I imagine, Xeno and Arthas will soon be joining him in ban land.

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Originally Posted by Darkstride

For anyone who actually watches his streams regularly, he doesn't like being Rescued. He focuses really hard on keeping up his Black Mage rotation and typically does a good job of using his own movement abilities to get around as needed. You said yourself in your response below that you don't even know who he is aside from reading on Reddit. I'm not trying to excuse his behavior by any means, but if you're going to comment as fact then you should probably have your own information instead of peddling it second-hand.

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Given what I watched were some clips of his on compilations and that might always be his worst moments. But these gave up a negative impression and I can see why people target him and not others like Zepla who does not behave in such a way. I just don't think you should treat your audience like this, even tho he might as well has good and nice streams but I don't think that would excuse his abusive moments.

When Pyro started streaming I thought his content was neat. Then he raged once and I stopped following him. The last three times I checked on his videos to see if there was anything good going on, by coincidence or not he was raging on stream about one thing or another.

If I were one of his invested viewers and he was calling me an idiot on his stream I’d report him too. Alas I don’t watch people that treat others this way but it’s not surprising people are reporting him after viewing that video on YouTube someone posted here.

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Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa

The irony in crying about "witch hunts" while attempting to generate a witch hunt yourself against an entire community of people.

"Noooooo don't ban my heckin' favorite streamer who's totally my best friend I donated him my weekly paycheck and he still banned me for not sucking up to him hard enough, but TAKE DOWN THAT ENTIRE COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE FOR THE CRIME OF TRYING TO GET SE TO ENFORCE THEIR OWN RULES, THEY'RE PURE EVIL AND DESERVE TO BE SILENCED"

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To give credit though, 4chan and 5chan ARE the cesspools of the internet that like to spread evil and chaos whenever possible.

Are you saying its okay that streamers should be above the rules of the game because they advertise for it though?

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Originally Posted by Raim

Are you saying its okay that streamers should be above the rules of the game because they advertise for it though?

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Kaiyoko actually said that when Arthas got a suspension from flamming a blm via ACT

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Originally Posted by Raim

Are you saying its okay that streamers should be above the rules of the game because they advertise for it though?

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Nobody is saying that. Quite the opposite. You make an example out of them, you temporarily ban them to show that "nobody" is above the rules. You have to. But, you don't ever permanently ban free advertising.

It has to be enough to show that you're serious, but not enough to lose that. Otherwise, people will 100% know that there is favoritism. Like with Twitch and Pokemane.

Okay, time for a personal opinion breakdown.

Do I like Pyromancer? Yes, actually. I wouldn't have donated literally hundreds of subs to his channel otherwise.

Do I condone Pyromancer's more erratic and upsetting behavior? No. I don't know the man personally so I don't know the extent of what he has to struggle with - but if you're working in the public sector you need to try your best not to have a major episode in conflict with your audience, regardless of the circumstances behind your performance.

Do I think Pyromancer is in the wrong for his violation the TOS. Yes. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. 3rd party tools are a violation of ToS. He puts his account at risk for broadcasting it. If he gets suspended or banned because of it, that's ultimately on him. It's nice that in the best of times people can stick their necks into the guillotine and trust that people won't pull the lever, but these are not the best of times.

Do I agree with Pyromancer being persecuted for his use of shaders and mods like chat bubbles? No. I think it's a minor thing, and presume most people realize that. The internet tends to put a microscope on the most obscene and hyperbolic of people and statements. The most prominent mod I've seen that I'd like to see implemented in the current UI are the Chat Bubbles. I think they'd be a great addition to the game for players, especially seeming they exist for NPCs as is. That said, till it's in the game officially, using it is a risk, I don't recommend it.

This isn't the first time the good faith between players and developers were strained because of the bad actors among the players. These forums alone are often an example of bad faith actors ruining things for others. But there is no need. Those who are violating the ToS in good faith (meaning they're not trying to harm nothing or take advantage above other players, or gain an edge in fights. They're just trying to improve their personal experience), in my opinion suffer the most when this relationship is strained.

I don't hold judgement against these people. They are breaking the rules but they're not hurting/judging anyone. The risk is theirs to take if it matters that much to them. But it IS a risk, especially in this climate. The rules are clear, even if some of those bad faith actors want to take the statements to their hyperbolic extremes. If you don't want to take a risk for your account. Don't. Take. The. Risk. Use common sense and move on.

Otherwise, there are some people with some real vendettas out there that will take this upset over current events and see just how draconian they can get the GMs to be over the rules.

I still count this as part of the inevitable culture clash we get every time we get a larger wave of people adopting the game at a time. It's not the first time I've had to make statements to these effects either. Hopefully things will calm down soon and actions will get focused on the most egregious people using hacks and cheats.