Please grow the MMO part of the game. End game is lousy.

I agree but maybe not let them devolve into turning endgame into a grindfest, which is easy for them to default to.

I think they want to lean on the single-player aspect because the game is largely made up of casual players who are really into the story/lore. There's plenty of people who RP and there's nothing really wrong with that. And since FFXIV is the really the only MMO that is heavily story-based with a large franchise behind it, I think that the devs can experiment a bit, especially since the main story has concluded.

I just have this feeling that SE is forgetting that WoW players left their game to begin with to experience a game with a similar structure without the incompetency of the dev team. While I can sit here and drag the FFXIV team, they at the very least try to meet the community halfway whereas Blizzard has been a mess both scandals and lack of community input.

I think them alluding to Mythic-like dungeons and bringing back Deep Dungeons is their way of adding to the MMO aspect. I really hope they do this "Criterion" dungeon justice because lots of people are clamoring for difficult dungeon content rather than the same ol' Savage runs that largely consist of trials across a tier. My thought is that it'll be similar to Deep Dungeons without the independent scaling system.

I think that developing Trusts is fine because it helps the burden of newer players being able to queue without waiting too long and gives another grind for unlocking Trust outfits.

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I think you’re forgetting the part where despite Emet not believing us, he still needed to investigate our claims due to his duty of the star, this implies he’d do no different for Venat were she to approach him. She wouldn’t need to announce it globally at first, she was friends with Emet and Hythlo, two very important people in the ancient world whose names carry a lot of weight. She is a previous Azem. Her people opposed Zodiark yet her entire plan hinged upon 1.)Zodiark’s creation, 2)Elidibus surviving the sundering 3.)The rejoinings.

The reason people don’t focus so much on Hermes as much as they do Venat i believe, is because the story portrays her as some Herois. She herself says she did wrong things yes, but the overall narrative paints a different light and that’s what leaves people in a sour mood. It would be the equivalent of if at the end of shadowbringers we got an Emet minion that called him a hero. People would no doubt be calling that out. As far as the continues sacrifices go, there’s literally nothing that indicates that. Had venat told them the truth, they most likely could have figured something out. We know they were capable of manipulating dynamis, and able to create entities that could manipulate it. It wasn’t a lose lose situation, she contradicted her own claims and gave up hope on her people and instead placed everything in the hands of a single individual.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Dont know how being "gay" has anything to do with connecting with fictional characters, because news flash to you, I'm gay too.

Anyway I also like to counter argue Venat having knowledge of the Final Days and not telling anybody by bringing up some important factors:

A. She couldnt non-chalantly bring up the Meteia and the Final Days to all the Amauortines without risking potential premature world wide panic that would have the star fall into despair before they could anything about it.
B. Even if she told everyone, the Amaurotines are an extremely stubborn people who wont believe her without hard proof of the Final Days occurring. Remember they werent able to sense the signs of it due to their lack of sensing dynamis. Also we had a clear example of one such important Ancient denying those claims via Emet-Selch who refused to believe the events that happened with him and their world in the future when the WoL explained the situation.
C. She did managed to gather allies and other people to believe her about the Final Days and were the opposing group behind the summoning of Zodiark. Them knowing that Zodiark wouldnt serve as their best permanent solution to fight against Meteions Song of Oblivion.

And again, who was behind all of this!? Hermes!
Why are we shifting so much of the blame to Venat alone when she was the one who had to clean up his mess in the first place!?
Everyone is to blame for the sundering. If Venat didnt sunder the world, then Zodiark would've continued to sacrifice more of its people for a losing battle because he wouldnt even have been able to deal with Meteion when she was ready to end the universe in the future. It was lose-lose situation for everyone since no matter what the Ancients were done

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The whole world building in EW was just not well fleshed out. The Hermes-Meteion arc should have honestly gotten its own expansion. Endwalker felt way too rushed, even if I loved it. I like it despite its severe flaws. I think if it wasn't so rushed there would have been enough character building over 6.x for Venat, Fandaniel, etc., along with foreshadowing of Meteion, in such a way that Venat's pain feels more believable.

I do feel Venat's pain, but I had to stretch my imagination somewhat to reach there, to imagine what wasn't told in the story but could be reasonably implied. I can thus see why people felt Venat's motivations were unconvincing.

From what they said, it sounded like they intend to give more option to do content aimed at several players by yourself if you want to, not starting to develop content aimed only to be done solo.
If that's the case I don't see how it is a bad thing. If there's so little people wanting to do stuff solo then it's not like it'll change anything for the people that still want to do it with other players. People that want to play with others will still be able to and the estimated minority that don't want to deal with people whinning at each other left and right will have an option to do so.
It's a win/win.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I can't help but look at the impressive heights that WoW achieved during Wrath of the Lich King which is widely considered to be the game's golden era. Blizzard's attempts to chase a different set of demographics to those that brought such success failed and the game consistently began bleeding players over time as a consequence.

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I think Yoshi P needs to take note here. He has cited WoW as an inspiration for FFXIV, but is he willing to take note of the mistakes made in that game? I'm not against the trust system, but I think it's a mistake diverting what seems to be a substantial amount of resources to bolster solo play instead of using those resources on improving multiplayer aspects. It seems like a desperate attempt at appealing to a certain demographic at the cost of the dominant one. This is a rookie mistake and it will damage the game.

This is not a solo game and it never has been. If people wanted to play bot simulator they wouldn't be playing FFXIV.

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I think Yoshi P needs to take note here. He has cited WoW as an inspiration for FFXIV, but is he willing to take note of the mistakes made in that game? I'm not against the trust system, but I think it's a mistake diverting what seems to be a substantial amount of resources to bolster solo play instead of using those resources on improving multiplayer aspects. It seems like a desperate attempt at appealing to a certain demographic at the cost of the dominant one. This is a rookie mistake and it will damage the game.

This is not a solo game and it never has been. If people wanted to play bot simulator they wouldn't be playing FFXIV.

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For some reason reddit didn't agree with me today when I speculated on what can happen next if they get such players here. It's quite odd to target FF franchise players that never played 11 or 14 because it's online/MMO. Aurum Vale won't be on trust so when solo players will want their GC rank up or other + quest there they will have to play with others. 90% likely will be fine or just carryed but the 10% will start moaning and demanding that their way of playing should be the one true and correct and everyone else is a toxic elitist. No job stone will be the least of problems in the roulette then.

And with ever increasing level range IMHO people will be less and less likely to start at level 1 so their surveys will show what WoW did - so they will make expansion packs with boosts and after that squish levels :P Just to force some specific demographics to play the game. Not sure why they want to target a MMO to specific demographics and not whoever could possibly play a MMO or just "online RPG alike game with catgirls".

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

Good for you. But you're the exception, not the norm. Players who are against paying a sub fee for a single game are not going to jump into XIV beyond Heavensward no matter how solo friendly it gets. Specially when the solo exp in XIV is very watered down and undertuned by jrpg standards.

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FFXIV's increasing population numbers disagrees with you "moar raids" types.

People will always tell me this game's population is mostly casual players that play for the final fantasy part of the game and while that is partly true... its not really the majority. I've met way too many wow refugees before the exodus and the exodus just doubled the population on the game (hyperbole kinda but it really made the game hit higher numbers than ever before)... so the benefit of doubt is totally warranted.

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People will always tell me this game's population is mostly casual players that play for the final fantasy part of the game and while that is partly true... its not really the majority. I've met way too many wow refugees before the exodus and the exodus just doubled the population on the game (hyperbole kinda but it really made the game hit higher numbers than ever before)... so the benefit of doubt is totally warranted.

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Wow destroyed itself catering to them.

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Originally Posted by Conundrum

FFXIV's increasing population numbers disagrees with you "moar raids" types.

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You're gonna be malding twice as hard when the next savage census drops and you realize this tier has been the most popular in the games history by a large margin. It's almost like a lot of the incoming players came from communities where more challenging content is really popular or something.