Can we not shame people who don't like the MSQ?

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Originally Posted by SpanishInkwehsitor

For the rest of it you got Youtube and the Wiki if you're REALLY interested in what's happening. Both of those are way easier to absorb the plot than the actual presentation, especially in the case of ARR or Stormblood.

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If you weren't interested in the story enough to pay attention during the cutscenes, why would you be interested in reading a wiki summary about it afterwards? What a horrible way to consume fiction.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

Disagreeing and discussing are not the same thing as launching into a variety of ad hominem attacks, which is what usually happens.

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Attacks you mean like this?

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

I read it and the context is clearly there. This is just another case of fanboyism being used to critique a critic for daring to not enjoy a minimal aspect of a game. Step out of your bubble and breathe in a breath of fresh air sometime

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Anyone is free to not enjoy the story or skip the cutscenes. Just know that I’ll be silently judging you for it. :D

But in all seriousness, I don’t see how it’s fair for someone to basically insult the MSQ and that others who enjoy it, aren’t allowed to defend it? It’s highly likely in this situation that people who play the game often (mentors or veterans) also enjoy the story. A sprout (or anyone for that matter) could easily deduce this and yet still choose to say it’s boring. In my eyes, it’s totally fair for someone else to disagree and state why. If the sprout can have an opinion, why can’t mentors/vets also have one? You have no right to take that away from them.

I don’t want anyone insulting each other, but people are free to debate and discuss.

MFW "insult", "defend".

A sprout innocently asking how to buy a jump pot or that the story is boring isn't an "insult". It's them stating a preference. There is no need for 10 different mentors to pile on to "defend" the story. This is the context I'm talking about. It happens all the time:

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

Happens in the game a surprising amount, particularly in places like the Novice Network. Sometimes you'll see a sprout make an offhanded comment about a certain part of the story being boring, or say that they are mostly interested in endgame. God forbid they ask a question about story skips. Without fail, they get dogpiled by people telling them to unsubscribe from the game, or that the game "isn't for them". I've seen it happen on a smaller scale in FCs as well.

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And yes, I'm using the word "fanatic" and it is a particularly strong choice of word. But if you're not a fanatic, you shouldn't be offended! If you actually think I'm calling singular *you* a fanatic, then there's actually something sus going on... I'm not talking about everyone who likes the story after all!

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Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa

Attacks you mean like this?

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Yep, exactly like that. Although I'd say the potato's comment lands itself firmly in strawman territory as well.

The MSQ is the driving force behind just about every aspect of the game. If you don't like it, you're better off playing something else because odds are you'll never be happy with the experience.

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Originally Posted by Alacran

You are complaining about the work of others but don't want to be attacked in turn?

You make me laugh, i love watching bullies get the karma sowed for their unasked for opinions when launched at the very same fan base of said game.

Share your opinion but expect the same rebuttals when you do, don't want it? Choose silence then.

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This is the exact kind of response I'm talking about BTW.

Rofl "bully", "karma sowed", "launched at the very same fan base".

First of all, saying the story is boring isn't an attack on the fan base of FF14!

Second of all lmao if saying the story is boring is "bullying"

BTW, just so that people don't jump to conclusions, I've watched every single cutscene in the story and even did every story sidequest in all the zones (except ARR) for the lore. Yet somehow I'm able to not interpret every slight against the story as a personal insult or someone bullying me.

I found most of my complaints with the original third of Endwalker were due to me just being excited about going to the moon. I resented anything that kept me from my dream of determining once and for all if the moon were, in fact, actually made of cheese.

If you find yourself in a similar situation, try playing through the first three zones’ cutscenes again. Lab has a bunch of cute practical lessons to teach, Thav has an amazing setup for Dynamis and the gift of the Great Work’s alchemists, and Garlemald went from my least favorite zone to my favorite zone with a better understanding of its arc.

Heck, Garlemald alone has some of the most depressing, metal, lows I’ve seen in Final Fantasy as well as the first major scene that completely wrecked me: the cup of soup.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

Happens in the game a surprising amount, particularly in places like the Novice Network. Sometimes you'll see a sprout make an offhanded comment about a certain part of the story being boring, or say that they are mostly interested in endgame. God forbid they ask a question about story skips. Without fail, they get dogpiled by people telling them to unsubscribe from the game, or that the game "isn't for them". I've seen it happen on a smaller scale in FCs as well.

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Citation needed.

The idea that if you dont like the story of the game you should unsub because the game just isnt for you is one that I've seen in literally every community in and about the game I've been in. Sometimes it's people who have no idea raids are good and unironically think that only 1% do savage, sometimes it comes from the very natural realization that if you dont like the story, you'll probably get less out of the game than someone who does because no small amount of dev focus is on the story. It's usually pretty easy to find out which it is.