I've seen discords like this in the past for other marginalized groups, and more than once it turned out that some of the people organizing them were basically predators tailor building an optimal hunting grounds. yikes.
FFXIV Girls only discord server
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12-20-2021, 07:41 AMLittleImp
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12-20-2021, 07:41 AMZukkii
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12-20-2021, 07:42 AMJybril
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12-20-2021, 07:45 AMArkenaeuxBelmont
I love how this devolved into a war on gender and sexism when if anyone bothered to read the actual examples given 2 posts after the OP post, the biggest red flag there should've been the harassment of a minor in that discord.
Second red flag, the crappy practices they do with their streaming "partners".
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12-20-2021, 07:47 AMAelin_AshryverQuote:
Originally Posted by Xrystofer
The Oxford Dictionary defines it as, "Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior." However, this is a simplified explanation of a complex issue.
Black people having a black only server is NOT them stating their belief that black is superior to white, or for women saying men are inferior with a womens only discord. As the quote states it is a complex issue and everyone with any sense will realise that "safe spaces" are not sexist or racist, simply those groups wanting a place to feel safe for a change. If you are white or male you cannot join because people within your community have been jerks and rather than take issue with that, you are all mimimimimi.
What exactly of your actions so far should say you should be welcome? You are FAR more concerned with yourself and trying to also make yourself a victim or men/white people a victim. Rather than have an ounce of empathy for the people who have experienced marginalisation from those groups. You rather handily ignored my other post saying there are PLENTY men's only spaces, sex based spaces exist for good reason. You are very clearly just out to stir sh*t than be remotely productive.
Literally cannot let people be and that's the problem, so concerned with yourself. You sound like the professional victims on twitter out to be offended at anything they can. -
12-20-2021, 07:47 AMMaxilorWell, this got dark.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleImp
I'm out.
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12-20-2021, 07:50 AMXrystoferRather than being judged by my actions, I am being judged by my gender. That is the definition of Sexism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shironeko_Narunyan
Are you insinuating that men should be ashamed to ask women out on a date?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shironeko_Narunyan
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12-20-2021, 07:52 AMDoozerWell some of us have already seen the whole thing before this thread was made, and given that the whole point of the server is gender-related, it's the easiest topic to stay on. Would you like to discuss those things? Go ahead. No one is stopping you.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArkenaeuxBelmont
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12-20-2021, 07:59 AMMilkieTeaI'm only replying to this because at the time of writing it, it's the most recent thing you've posted in this thread. It's not an actual reply to the argument you're having with this person, and I don't want to be percieved as agreeing with them because I don't. A lot of their argument stems from "but what if the majority is discriminated against too????? Checkmate, lib!" and I'm not about that. With that said...Quote:
Originally Posted by Shironeko_Narunyan
I appreciate where you're coming from, trust me I do.
But I'd like for you to understand some major things - and I'd also like to preface this by saying that you're not doing or saying anything inherently wrong per se. Just ignorant - and not out of malice, I don't think, because you sound extremely genuine.
1. To imply that voice verification would be okay in a women-only environment is harmful rhetoric. Not only because transwomen exist and are women despite whatever number of things prevent them from sounding "womanly enough" - but because ciswomen face consistent sexism from other women if they, too, are not "womanly enough." From clothes, to hairstyles, to makeup, to their voice. There is a consistent battle to be perceived as "womanly" - From "Not Like Other Girls," and their constant fear of being perceived as "too feminine but not feminine enough," to "pick me's" who want to be perceived as either the perfect woman or the perfect "just like the guys" friend. How does one "sus out" the men 'pretending' to be women from actual women? Where is the line drawn?
2. Backboarding off of the first thing I mentioned - the fear of men invading womens spaces, while a valid fear borne out of a need for safety and security, inherently leads to extremely transphobic rhetoric that also stinks of mild classism as well. And I'm not talking about SJW-transphobia, where someone mistakenly calling someone by their wrong pronoun is seen as the scum of the earth. I'm talking about actual, legitimate transphobia. The kind of rhetoric that keeps us going backwards in progress. "You can't afford facial-feminization surgery? You're not a woman, then. You'll be given the male role." "You can't afford vocal surgery and have only done vocal exercises? You're not a woman then, so you'll ALSO be given the male role." "You're afraid of being perceived as trans in a transphobic county where outwardly presenting as such could lead to your death? You'll, also, be given the male role of supporter. We don't recognize you as a woman unless you're willing to put your life at risk, or spend money you don't have, to present as a woman."
3. I appreciate the need for a private space to congregate with other women who share experiences, however... this server is big enough that it can no longer hide behind "private server, private rules." It is a community server, or at the very least attempting to become a community server, and is already large-scale. As such, there needs to be a level of separation between personal beliefs (however flawed and TERFy they are...) and public image. Publicly, they present themselves in an extremely unprofessional manner, and if you want to support a women-only safe space I would not support this server as, disregarding everything said above, they are exploitative and seem to only be in this to make money off of women who don't know better.
I've said it before, there's nothing wrong with creating a safe community for women. It's when that community becomes ... this ... that it becomes an issue. -
12-20-2021, 08:01 AMCrayonsAndPaint
That discord server honestly reeks of 30 - 45 year old miserable and alone women that just want to make some weird “girls only” club. Arent you guys too old to be doing that?